Racism in the Military.......

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Libhater, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. micfranklin

    micfranklin Banned

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    My plan was fairly simple: let the people police their own neighborhoods.
     
  2. Libhater

    Libhater Well-Known Member

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    Who is stopping them? But the big problem is when the ghetto folk start going outside their districts to wreak havoc on innocent whites, such as with raping, stealing from and murdering them. I wouldn't expect the blacks to have the will or the legal know how or right to do such a thing.
     
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    Can't really say the same about upper-middle class or upper class blacks who live in real nice neighborhoods that are racially mixed with little to no fear of crime.
     
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    There are two tragedies.

    One, blacks were horribly abused in all aspects of society because of the stigmatizing the white culture forced upon them.

    Two, that it festers in society, by design of those who use the energies of hatred in the past, as fuel for their political machinations in the present.
     
  5. Libhater

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    What blacks were horribly abused in all aspects of society? Name some of these aspects, please? I see this so-called stigmitizing of blacks as being a smoke screen or a crutch to give blacks the right to do illegal things in our society when they think they've been abused. Kind of like how blacks have used affirmative action, reparations and quotas to supposedly right a wrong, when all those three policies have done was to create further racial tension in our society as they create reverse discrimination against whites who often have been more qualified to get the employment they were each vying for from the start, or whites that had no skin in the race wars or city riots that happened before their births.

    You are right, the hatred and racist overtones from the past have led blacks of today to use their rage, anger and hatred to keep the racist card alive, or keep the race baiting card alive that al shapless and jessie jackhole use as their political strategies.
     
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    If anyone has to explain how blacks were abused during those days then you really haven't got a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clue about anything.

    But between grandfather clauses, poll taxes, literacy tests, inability to vote, Jim Crow laws, the existence of the KKK and basic segregation as a whole it's hard not to have been abused if you were black.
     
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    Blacks had been given the right to vote going back to at least 1876, and to offset the KKK blacks created the Black Panthers in the sixties. Don't know what literacy tests have to do with black anger, resentment, rage and even initiating criminal behavior. Blacks had the same opportunities I had in growing up in the sixties. So I don't see what more you blacks would expect from a society that has bent over backwards (sort of speak) to ensure blacks get first dibs on any and all welfare programs. Usually someone who sports a chip on their shoulder gets it knocked off in an ugly fashion. Do you have a chip on your shoulder, Mc?
     
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    Completely ruining your arguments is always fun.

    Which, like other legislation such as the 1875 Civil Rights Act was basically ignored. I believe I already mentioned the grandfather clause, poll taxes, literacy tests and KKK intimidation.

    Except the original Black Panthers wanted equality, freedom and protection for all people, as opposed to the KKK who wanted to keep blacks out of the picture and be nothing.

    I didn't say they did, but your question was "what aspects were blacks in our society abused by?" and I answered it.

    Later in the 60's, not early in the 60s or anytime before that when people's homes were firebombed or told to sit in the colored section.
     
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    Taking your example of Viet Nam.

    You, as a white person, entered into a non white culture, Asian. In the midst of this, the racial indentifier mechanism of the black minority, (a non positive mechanism for blacks in a white culture) got slightly balanced out in a non white Asian culture.

    Your inherited ancestral advantage was put in a geographically weakened position, and it could be argued you did not like the experience on a playing field that had a more limited advantage to you.

    Perhaps the blacks acted aggressively because of the observance of the racial identifiers being shifted via being in Asia, in combination of the militancy of the 60's civil rights forced equality initiatives.

    The truth of the situation regarding everything that is racial, specifically blacks, is that they carry a racial identity, which cannot go away, except with time. There is a small percentage of whites who hate blacks, but the larger problem is that blacks continually are conscious that they are black in a culture designed around whites. That is neither their fault, nor mine, as it lays of the feet of our ancestors. It simply is a situation of our collective past.

    We, as white people, cannot even relate to this racial identity they have inherited. It is foreign to us as we sit in a restaurant of 100 people, 98 of them being the same color as us. Perhaps, in 50 years or so, we might very well begin the early stages of understanding...and I suspect some minorities will relish our uncomfortable awareness, of which we experience the powerlessness of that position.

    Having said that, I also believe AA needs to be completely retooled. Govt initiatives to strategize minorities into ever increasing govt jobs is now playing it's inevitable havoc, as austerity type measures are trimming those govt jobs, which is the partial explanation of why the black community is suffering an almost double hit on the unemployment national average. Big govt rears its ugly unsustainable head yet again. Mix into that the disgusting decades long vote harvesting of minority blacks, and current inflammatory rhetoric of the CBC and the like, and you have the increased racial crisis on the tip of everyones mind.
     
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    That is not true at all, for we rarely encountered any Asians while in the Nam. My full year was totally exposed to American GI's. My platoon had zero contact with the ARVN's and whatever NVA we encountered, we did so by killing them.

    What are you talking about; a racist black man in the early seventies was always a racist black man regardless of what venue he happened to occupy at the time.

    Perhaps nothing. The only militancy coming from the sixties was from the black city rioters who got their de facto marching orders from MLK and his incendiary speeches.

    You know, we all carry a racial identity card wherever we go. The key here is for everyone regardless of race to get over past wrongs and work for today and for the future by putting any and all negativity behind. Like I repeatedly said, if blacks can't learn to adjust or mesh their lifestyles by mixing in with WHITES--then I say its time for them to consider the alternative by leaving for Africa enmasse. But what I see is that racial integration has never worked and will never work so long as blacks continue to harbor that chip on their collective shoulders. Perhaps Charlie Manson was right when he said there would be a Helter Skelter revolution between blacks and WHITES.

    Again, it isn't up to me to learn about or even relate to the racial identity blacks may or may not have. Its up to them to somehow accept their racial identity for what it is, and not to use that identity as a scapegoat to not bettering their lot in life, but to use it as a catalyst in striving to be the best they can be and in securing a harmonious lifestyle along the way.

    AA, just like the ERA, the NAACP, the ACLU, NOW, the black congressional caucus, black history month and BET (Black Entertainment Tonight) telly all have to be toally abolished.

    So now you're blaming lack of govt jobs as being another reason why black unemployment is so high? Last time I checked our military was still taking in new recruits. :omg:
     
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    Now we all know Zook is your sock puppet. :-D :mrgreen:
     
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    Of course. As the govt steered AA across a nation, their biggest push as the govt was placing minorities into working in an area beyond the private sector, being, govt jobs. Govt jobs get cut, a large portion of that will be minority blacks. It's a fact, not my conjecture.
     
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    The USA once had a German regiments and a Scandinavian regiment. Up until 1960 there was a black regiment. The different races/ethnicities could all serve their country separately, amongst their fellow members. It is usually much easier to get along with others when they are of your same race, especially in close proximity for extended lengths of time.

    I hope the USA could go back to segregation. The segregation could be voluntary. There could be a big regiment for those who wanted to be racially integrated. But most members would choose to be with their own race.

    The USA should not be pushing racial integration just out of some ideology of racial equality. They should make more effort to tend to the preferences and desires of the people who fight for their country. They would likely get more volunteers if there was an option to be racially segregated. Obviously, the segregation should only be at the lower levels, the upper levels of leadership should be racially mixed to avoid discrimination.

    Even if you do not care about racial integration, other people do. You should respect their wishes to remain racially separated, and promote some flexibility to their preferences. Just like how the military sometimes is flexible to accomodate peoples religions (Sihks wear turbans and beard, muslims do not eat pork, some Christian groups refuse to fight so they serve as military medical assistants).

    Consider that the USA army has separate female groups in the army. If they tried integrating based on gender there would be many more rapes.
     
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    Has our military proven any less effective since integration?
     
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    There are already separate bathrooms for men and women, why not for different races? All-male and all-female private schools also exist. Prisoners are segregated by gender, despite the fact that most of them would prefer contact with the opposite sex. It is someone hypocritical to segregate based on gender, but think racial segregation is completely wrong.
     
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    What goal would this accomplish?
     
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    I was just using this as an example. I am not specifically suggesting racially segregated bathrooms (although arguments could be made in their favor...)


    (for example, asian children tend to be much more responsible and cleanly. if they had their own bathrooms they would not have to worry about some disrespectful person from another race blowing out his fecies onto the wall, or even ceiling. I have seen some horror scenes with brown stalagtites hanging from above...)
     

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