I see a few veterans talking about their service/combat daze here. I took my basic training at Ft Dingaling (Dix) in New Jersey. Weekend leaves we took off for Wrightstown; a town that had an inordinate amount of black civilians hanging out looking to create mischief. My first visit to Wrightstown exposed me to black on white racism, and disrespect for me and my cohorts while dressed in the khaki military uniform. We got jeered as being greenback honky sissy boys--among a few other choice mocks. None of us physically confronted the gang of hoodlums as we were too concerned with breaking the military code of ethics or in getting recycled to do another 8-weeks of basic training with a possible pay cut. This was 1970 and the black gang all sported afro haircuts which probably gave them further incentive to ridicule our GI haircuts. I was amazed at the exposure of my cohorts as to not put some of our PT (physical training) to work against that disheveled crew of castoffs. But black on white racism reached its apex for me over in the combat setting of Vietnam. I had no problem with blacks grouping together among themselves as I'm all for segregation. MLK had created a decade of racial tension and riots in the sixties, and what I saw here in 1970-1971 was just a continuation of the black racist mindset that had permeated the black culture. The black clenched fist together in a vision of black brotherhood or black power if you will was so prevelant that the divide between blacks and whites and even from Puerto Ricans and Chicanos was an eerie reminder that not all of us would be singing gospel music together in perfect harmony. But the last straw was when a band of blacks locked arms together in an obvious show of black power around the milk machine in the rear base at Camp Eagle so as to prevent the whites from getting their milk--that caused a few fist fights and racial slurs to erupt. I believe it was the 1972 Olympics where the American track relay team comprised of 4 black men had come in first, thus receiving the gold medal. When the 4 black men stood upon the medal podium to receive their award--they refused to salute or honor the American Star Spangled Banner, and thus proceeded to hold one arm up with clenched black-gloved fist in obvious definance of America, but also in a sad show for black power.
I knew you would get a lot of response to this self experienced take of black on white racism, Mr. Hater. But I didn't realize that so many people here would be agreeing with you that this type of racism is so prevalent. However, you may have to revise your views considering your experiences with black racism took place over 40 years ago, and that perhaps today we are seeing a mindset change with 21st blacks living in America. I'll leave it to others to explain to us how blacks have indeed changed and their racism has all but dissolved.
Have you taken to talking to yourself or did you just forget to log in to a sock-puppet account? It seems to me that you're just describing the inevitable consequences of the segregation you're so in favour of. If you encourage (or enforce) segregation on racial grounds, you will create more racism. You just notice it more when it's directed at you rather than the other way around.
Of all the things in this world to come to fisticuffs over, access to the milk machine at Camp Eagle seems to be a pretty silly one.
What segregation are you talking about? Seems to me we're living in a society that is not only multi-culturaled, but seeks to integrate its people at will by bashing all of our traditions and mores. So while we see constant racial strife and tension in our integrated society, we have yet to fully implement a segregated society. How did the volunteer segregating of the blacks from the whites over in the Nam work out for us as far as creating more racism? You see, combat forced us to integrate as best we could for we were all fighting against a common enemy. But that common thread of unification quickly dissolved when the blacks decided they hated whitey as much as they did. In summary: blacks cannot get along with or prevent their racist overtones toward whites whether they segregate or integrate with us.
The century or so of legally imposed racial segregation in the US that created the anger, hatred and resentment that you experienced in the 1970s. There was no "multi-culturalism" to blame back then. Some can, some can't. That's not exclusive to black people though. You're failing to hide your racist overtones towards blacks regardless of whether you were segregated, as in the past or (nominally) integrated as now. I'm not overly concerned. Your generation of black and white Americans, brought up with a state sanctioned hatred of each other will die out and the rest of us will just have the fall-out to deal with.
You're telling me that the blacks I encountered in the seventies were still harboring anger and resentment over what may or may not have happened to their ancestors from decades or centuries earlier? Wow, just recently I shook off my resentment of the British for making it so tough on my ancestors to live in freedom from a foreign monarchy. Somehow I've learned to adjust to life here in the 21st century without harboring useless anger toward my British ancestry. I have zero racist overtones toward blacks, period. There was no state sanctioned hatred of each other. What are you talking about? You have no fall out to deal with. What you have and what liberals have created is placing the poor and the black folk into a dependent lifestyle that would naturally make racial tension soar since its the working white middle class that ends up supporting their lazy arses. Add to that welfare state state sponsored integration policies and you can clearly see that its your generation creating all of the racial strife we see today.
Yeah, all you've done is suggest that we should deport them back to Africa. Now, who would ever gleam racist overtones from that?
The word is glean....not gleam, and what is racist about wanting the best for blacks by uniting them with their mother country and all of their brethren?
No, I'm suggesting they were harbouring anger and resentment from what happened in their own lifetimes. The last elements of state enforced segregation was still being cleared up in the early 70s and the social consequences are still in place today. I'm suggesting you've been affected by the same social engineering. Yet you're acting in exactly the same manner as the people you're describing and accusing of racism. You're taking individuals who have done bad things and defining them solely on the basis of their skin colour. You're all being racist. None of you notice because it has been a social norm for so long in the US. The legally enforced racial segregation imposed by US governments over many generations created the inevitable situation where so many people hate others on the basis of their skin colour. You bring up generations believing that if someone is a different colour they're a fundamentally different person, someone who needs to go to a different school, sit on a different bench and shop in a different store you can't fail to create the kind of social disassociation you now have. A welfare state is certainly far from perfect but it differentiates between rich and poor, not black and white. The only reason black people are a higher proportion of poor people in America (and thus by definition, a higher proportion of the lazy poor) is the generational racism. That creates a vicious circle that won't be broken until more Americans (or all races) work out that skin colour really isn't all that important.
Your entire response here is predicated on the false premise that these blacks (during the seventies) were state forced into segregation. My experience of living during those times in close proximity to black Roxbury in the Boston area was that the blacks willingly chose to live in that district devoid of WHITE neighbors. Same could be said of blacks living in Harlem; thus my contention that blacks choose to live among their own where they feel most comfortable, and thus my suggestion they would fare much better in Africa among their own, rather than be chronically subjected to racial tension here in a majority White populated America. You say the only reason a higher percentage of blacks represent the poor is because of generational racism. That is total bunk and you know it. Its amazing to see Whites give constant excuses for black people being poor or being chronic criminals. Look, newly arrived Asian Americans face just as many problems as current blacks here in America, yet you don't see them crying and whining about being discriminated against. They (the Asians) learn to speak the English language, often graduate from college with high honors, create start-up businesses and keep a close knit segregated family structure in some of our larger cities. I don't see too many Asian Americans filling our prisons or applying for welfare...do you?
That's garbage! Segregation was never enforced in the right way. If you enforce proper segregation it'd solve a hell of a lot of problems in society today. Segregation of the 50s and 60s involved blacks still living near and around the White population except not being able to use things that Whites used, such as toilets, water fountains and restaurants. Of course that's going to result in racial trouble. What we need is segregation that involves blacks not being allowed anywhere there are Whites or other human races. Then and only then we can have a relatively peaceful, normal and low-crime civilized society. Blacks have proven they're not fit for civilized society, so proper segregation is the only option we have left.
I seem to remember you crying about this before in another thread and now you're crying about it again.
Yeah, and I see the message before and the message today still hasn't sunk in with you. What's with dat?
What's the message, that every black person you've encountered is magically evil/troublemaker, bent on making your life miserable and that their black power salute is somehow more offensive than your stance of trying to get them to go live in Africa?
Yeah, that about sums it up. But you got to stop trying to figure out what I as a WHITE man wants (for I have already achieved everything I need in life) by concentrating on how you can help your people rise from the dustbin of history. I haven't heard one suggestion by you on how to have your people achieve some kind of peaceful harmony living alongside the majority of WHITE people here in America. All I can 'glean' from your steady refusal to address the black problem is that I care more for your people than you do. How ironic that must seem to you, eh?
I've actually addressed you on that issue of achieving harmony several times in other threads, the problem is those threads have now been deleted because they became flame threads. Even before they got deleted there were several posts you made after mine when I came up with suggestions and you didn't acknowledge them, so if you choose to ignore my posts when I give you the answer you were looking then that's entirely on you.
Instead of calling you a liar, please refresh my memory on your supposed plan to achieve racial harmony alongside we Whites.
A 25 year old in 1970 will have been born in 1945 so yes, they (and you, assuming your story is true) all experienced enforced racial segregation. Yes, in 1970 America, blacks lived in one area and whites lived in another. That's because the majority of both groups had been ingrained with an institutional racism. Even if a black family had wanted to live in a "white" area, nobody would have sold them a house there and vice versa. Black Americans would be no more comfortable in Africa than you or I would be. Why not accept and address the racism within your society (that getting rid of the black people won't change) and work to reduce it, like so many other places have done? It'll never be perfect but nothing ever is. Without the blacks, you'd just shift your national racial hatred on your other hatreds - North/South, East/West, rich/poor, Democrat/Republican divisions or focus on the central Americans or Muslims. Where did I excuse anything? I condemn criminals, but I only condemn criminals and I condemn them all regardless of their skin colour. I don't condemn black people in general because there are lots of black criminals and ignore all the white criminals. A proportion of any population will have a propensity for criminality. Poverty is one of the factors that will bring out that propensity. If more black people are poor, there will be more poor black criminals (though there are also loads of poor white criminals too). I disagree that Asians face the same level of ingrained racism as blacks face or are guilty of themselves. There isn't the same history there. I suggest that recent black immigrants wouldn't have the same scale of problems either (though many of that group will also happen to be Muslim which is a whole new issue).
