Racism

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by mak2, Dec 9, 2014.

  1. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Yep, the last resort of those that cannot defend their illogical, erroneous attempts to justify what they are .. report away, the truth does not change with your cowardice.
     
  2. Egalitarianjay02

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    In most instances it is.
     
  3. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    LOL, it can only be ad hominem if it is not true . .why are you so scared, if you are not a racist then why are you trying so hard to show you are not, just ignore it .. I know I am not "left-wing" and as such the attempts to label me as such have no relevance to me hence why I have no need to respond to them, you on the other hand "protest too much" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks

    The topic is racism is it not, so in reality I am pointing out that, by far, the majority of your comments are the absolute definition of racism as defined in the dictionary. Now you may wish to try and re-define racism to suit (as you have done over numerous posts) that still does not change the facts of the matter.
     
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    You would be laughed out of any court of law with that as evidence.
     
  5. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    I am not trying "justify what I am", I'm trying to discuss the topic. You are just launching personal attacks because your posts on the topic, the definition of racism, were a total failure. Sad and annoying.
     
  6. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Since this is not a court and you are no lawyer or judge, this ^ is irrelevant .. but ... the written word is admissible evidence in a court of law, so your assertion is one you pulled out of your arse.
     
  7. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    So the dictionary definition of racism is a 'total failure' .. best you inform Oxford and Cambridge of that, I'm sure they will change it just to suit you :roll:

    You are what you are, don't be ashamed of it.
     
  8. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Then tell the dictionaries they are wrong, and don't quote what other people say, I really couldn't give a rats arse what other people say, I have not said that people who suggest biological differences or even talk about race are racist .. try reading what I have written instead of reading what you want to see .. I have consistently said it is not pointing out the differences that is in itself racist, it is how those differences are used. I have read enough of your comments to see that you wish to use those differences to discriminate against others.. that is racism, which by default makes you a racist. If you are not then please do tell me why you want to use those differences to segregate races and basically discriminate between them.

    By your own logic, the vast majority of people born with mental problems, such as Cerebal palsy should be discriminated against, after all their mental capabilities are far inferior to a "normal" person, and that is exactly what you advocate with your anal intelligence comparisons, the only difference you make is based on skin color.

    Why on earth would I want to play your stupid games, just so you can feel good about yourself . .do you analyses EVERY word in the dictionary or just the ones that don't quite suit your requirements?

    I agree, it is pathetic the way in which you try to re-define words to suit your requirements.
     
  9. NaturalBorn

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    Ah so as a lawyer you know that most written words are exculpatory evidence.
     
  10. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    I define words as they are used. The word "racist" is applied to those who posit differences and even mention race.

    "By your own logic, the vast majority of people born with mental problems, such as Cerebal palsy should be discriminated against, after all their mental capabilities are far inferior to a "normal" person, and that is exactly what you advocate with your anal intelligence comparisons, the only difference you make is based on skin color."

    What the hell is this? Just...what?
     
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    If I were to say you are an anti-semite what could you do or say to prove me wrong, if I did not accept your defense? The same idiocy is what you exhibit by calling someone a racist and denying all claims to the contrary. It's not even good mental gymnastics.
     
  12. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    You define words on how you need them to be in order to justify yourself.

    THAT .. is what you advocate, do you want me to post your comments on the subject?
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I would ask you to provide evidence to support the accusation, something along the lines of actual remarks I have made in order to show that your accusation has merit.

    I would not be defending prior to seeing anything you have to substantiate the accusation, if you could not provide anything then I would simply ignore the accusation, after all words only have the power that people give them.

    I am more than happy to provide examples of the racist remarks made if you wish to see them?

    no mental gymnastics required, there are plenty of examples of the posters racist remarks spread through out this sub-forum . .even some posted by another member here in this thread, in fact the only mental gymnastics being used here are those who are attempting to re-define what racism is.
     
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    Just because the word racist has been applied to many people concerning racial issues does not mean that it doesn't have a coherent definition. Racism is discrimination based on race. The word is not meaningless. Period.
     
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    Lol. You claim the word has a coherent definition then come up with a new definition. And you're really just pissing in the wind because words are defined by how they are used, not by what you say they mean. "Racist" is applied to those who posit differences, accept ancestry based classification, and oppose their own demographic genocide.

    Perhaps all of this is "discrimination". Is "discrimination" always a problem? Should mothers not "discriminate" their children from others? If I say "Obama is a mulatto", I am "discriminating" him from people who are not mulattoes. So what?
     
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    You're not making any sense. I didn't introduce a new definition. Racism has always been understood to be a form of discrimination or bigotry. Racism is racial bigotry. It's hatred or intolerance based on race. You say the word has no meaning because you don't like it. Words don't lose meaning just because some people might apply them inappropriately.
     
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    Actually words do have a different meaning if they are used differently to how some guy says they should be used.

    I literally never said the word has no meaning. >>>MOD EDIT Flamebait Removed<<<
     
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    You said it has so many different meanings as to be rendered meaningless. It's meaning is discrimination against others based on race. The word is meaningful and has real world utility because racist discrimination has been a recurring problem in society.
     
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    MOD EDIT - Rule 2


    Like the word marriage? or tolerance?
     
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    Now you're just repeating yourself. I asked you to clarify "discrimination" above. You ignored it. Now it's also "bigotry". Great. So clear. Since you do not explain your definition with examples it is pointless.
     
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    I'm defining the word as used. Common practise regards moral actions not word meanings. The dictionaries have different meanings and do not help here. I could of course provide a score of dictionary meanings, so it's a lie I could not. I just didn't.
     
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    A useful thought experiment: is James Watson a racist?
     
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    sigh, please do read what an appeal to common practice is before making such silly remarks - The basic idea behind the fallacy is that the fact that most people do X is used as "evidence" to support the action or practice. It is a fallacy because the mere fact that most people do something does not make it correct, moral, justified, or reasonable. The fact remains that you wish to change the definition in an attempt to make your actions or practices seem correct, justified or reasonable ergo a perfect fit for the fallacy.

    If you can provide scores of definitions then do so, saying it means nothing and actually the dictionaries do not have "different meanings and do not help here" ALL of them provide the same basic meaning of racism.
     
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    You are confusing correct actions and word meanings. Word meanings are indeed established by common use.

    Why would I provide scores of dictionary definitions when you failed to reconcile two?
     
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    MOD EDIT - Off Topic

    Examples of racism would include: using racial slurs, making dehumanizing comments about a racial group, depriving a racial group of civil liberties, physically attacking someone because of their race and harassing someone because of their race.

    Any instance of being hateful or intolerant based on race is racist.

    I don't know him personally so I don't know for sure. What I can say based on his racial comments is that he is a racialist, someone who believes in mental differences between races that are caused by genetic differences related to intelligence. But aside from that I have never heard him say anything explicitly racist. In my experience most people who are racialists have a racist agenda making them racists but the mere belief in racialism doesn't necessarily make you a racist.
     

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