Read It: Here's the Supreme Court's Basis for Overruling Roe and Casey

You can't exercise responsibility by getting rid of the consequences. That's a fact.

 

Yes you can, that's one way of doing it.

 

Yes, I agree, and I'm sure that @Kal'Stang would agree too!

 

Ah no he thinks when a woman has sex she WANTS to be pregnant.

 

@Kal'Stang, is this true?

 

See.

 

Do you mean that it was the woman's choice to RISK getting pregnant?

 

Yep.

 

If a woman chooses to have sex, knowing that there is a risk of getting pregnant, then she is accepting that risk. Her intentions in taking BC is clearly because she doesn't want to have kids. But she still accepted the risk knowing that she might get pregnant.

 

And it is her choice. She knows the risks. She accepts those risks and all that applies, including giving up bodily autonomy to a human she just created. Intentionally or not.

 

No, you can't. You have to deal with the consequences. Not get rid of them. If I kill another human because I chose to drink and drive can I just get rid of the body and pretend it never happened? I never meant to hit that person. But it was certainly a risk I knew was possible when I chose to drink and drive.

 

So you oppose the castle doctrine.

 

Science.

 

Yes that is one way of dealing with it.

 

Nope, sorry.

 

Nope, sorry.

 

Nope, sorry.

 

Yep, sorry.

 

Nope, sorry.

 

Where is your logic in that?

 

Its not my logic, its yours that people should suffer the consequence of reality.
The castle doctrine allows for self defense. Self defense is avoiding the consequence of reality.

Everyday someone wakes up they choose to be a victim. So lets not take it to the extreme and use sex as an example. Most woman I know need it or they get anxiety, and depression, men get blue ballz.
When birth control fails, a woman chooses to allow anyone inside her temple. Like if your lock fails you choose to be robbed.

The castle doctrine allows the freedom of choice to avoid the consequence of reality..that other people can take what they want.

The castle doctrine allows people to avoid the consequence of reality.

 

No, that is not my logic. Simply waking up does not mean you choose to be a victim. People choose to have sex, they don't choose to be robbed. People choose to drive, they don't choose to get into an accident. My logic is dependent on what people actively choose to do while knowing possible outcomes of their choices. They can't control or have a say in what other people do. People choose what to do based on risks. They either choose to accept the risks, with all that applies, or avoid doing what will make those risks possible. If you're afraid you'll get into an accident while driving, then you will avoid driving. If you are afraid of getting pregnant, then you'll avoid having sex. If you are afraid of getting robbed, then you will choose to either defend yourself with a gun, or rely on an alarm that signals the police. In each and every single case you choose what you do. You do not choose what others do. And in each case that you choose to do something, you accept the risks associated with whatever it is that you chose to do. If you choose to drive, you accept the risks of getting into an accident. If you choose to defend your home with a gun then you accept the risk that you may have to shoot someone and live your life knowing you killed someone, or possibly get your gun taken away and get shot yourself, or get charged with murder.

In the end, you made a choice to do something. You must accept the responsibility for the actions that you take and deal with any consequences that arises from that choice of actions. Life is all about choices.

 

So many contradictions...
And it can be argued life is only about death, It's the one thing that's guaranteed. But I'm not a nihilist, in regards to the topic, a woman's choice is exactly that. Defending her way of life is her right, and she shouldn't have to submit because her defences failed and the invader has a heartbeat.

 

Let me put it to you simply. People make choices. They must accept responsibility for those choices. And in today's society it is not acceptable to kill another human that you chose to let into your life. There is no invader here. The woman had sex willingly knowing the risks.

 

Which doesn't mean she choose to get pregnant.