"REAL" Fire Fighter, Erik Lawyer Slams NIST And The 9/11 "Investigation"

Unlike the fake experts you all find on these forums pontificating their "spin", this is a "real" firefighter and he brought with him the pains of "HELL", yes the firefighting procedures manual.

[video=youtube;uor8NhUr_90]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uor8NhUr_90[/video]
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He reads from the manual which describes what an explosion is from chapter 18 how an investigation should proceed and SOP for incendiary determinations etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.


He is pissed and I agree with him. He should be!

Anyone else see the writing on the wall?

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DEBUNK THAT!

 

Don't care.

 

+1, I mean I didn't even read it because it I have him on ignore, but rest assured, I don't care.

 

Is that recent?

 

Been done

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=183072

 

bill smith


Well Tri....if that was your best shot then Ol' Eric Lawyer doesn't have a a whole hell of a lot to worry about.In fact the debunking `is so weak that it amounts to faint praise.




I agree

 

it was uploaded in 2010, but these things take years.

 

That's fairly recent. Activity there is.

 

That dumb azz rookie started spouting his BS a few years back, having never visited NYC or talked to any experienced firefighters. He is even considered a bit of a joke in Seattle.

Nothing here but a self-important, deluded schmuck mouthing off.

 

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=183072

 

been there done that:

bill smith

Well Tri....if that was your best shot then Ol' Eric Lawyer doesn't have a a whole hell of a lot to worry about.In fact the debunking `is so weak that it amounts to faint praise.



I agree

 

Bill Smith is just another nattering schmendrick with no credentials to lecture anybody. The person he addresses as "Tri" is a former FDNY fire fighter who was there.

When idiot boy Lawyer showed up on one of the most prestigious forums related to fire fighting, he got his ass handed to him.

I will take the word of that lot over a rookie like Lawyer. I have made more thermite than that little turd ever saw.

http://www.firehouse.com/forums/t107457

 

He didnt get his ass handed to him wtf are you talking about?

what does your making thermwhatever have to do with anything being talked about here?

You claim to be a firefighter why so much hatred for your brother who cares so much for you and fellow firefighters?

He read right out of the SOP manual for determining causes which is more than you ever brought to the boards.

Firefighters found MOLTEN METAL on site under each of the buildings and they had an obligation to investigate what caused it.

He is correct they do better investigations on a house fire for (*)(*)(*)(*) sake than they did at wtc.

Why on earth would you condemn him for being a good guy?

Why all that hatred you have toward him?

I bet you arent really a firefighter. Are you/

 

A bunch of professionals with more combined years of experience than the little nut bar has lived told him he was wrong. If that is not "getting your ass handed to you," you really need to redefine some terms.

I am in a better position than that freak to determine whether it had to be tested for. There was no indication that it had been used.

I and a few other professionals who have encountered him have been quick to point out that he is talking through his trousers and has bought a delusion.

The manual is for investigating fires for which a cause is not known. A couple companies of FDNY saw for themselves what caused it. There is no requirement to follow NFPA 921.

Well, DUH! News flash for you non-fire fighters out there. There is always molten metal in a fire that big. No large, amorphous blobs of iron were found. Nothing to investigate there. There were great quantities of aluminum, brass and lead melted in the fire. There were several million live rounds of pistol ammo in Build #6 alone. That stuff burns damned hot.

They are not usually there to observe the ignition of a house fire. Of course they would do a more careful examination of a fire that they did not see start.

He's a jackass and I have had more experience and training in aircraft related fires than he has had time to get. A whole forum full of more experienced fire fighters than I share my opinion of the drooling lunatic.

 

A bunch of professionals with more combined years of experience than the little nut bar has lived told him he was wrong. If that is not "getting your ass handed to you," you really need to redefine some terms.

what 10000 professional loonarticks with 1 week experience handed him his ass? I think not. Now you are belching and stinking up the place with beer farts, you did nothing but name call AGAIN.

I am in a better position than that freak to determine whether it had to be tested for. There was no indication that it had been used.

But he read the SOP, what position are you in? Oh wait scratch that question.

I and a few other professionals who have encountered him have been quick to point out that he is talking through his trousers and has bought a delusion.

Thats not true. Why do you persist in this libelous course you are taking?

The manual is for investigating fires for which a cause is not known. A couple companies of FDNY saw for themselves what caused it. There is no requirement to follow NFPA 921.

well the ause of the molten metal was not known why are you screaming foul ball? I had my doubts but I do not believe you are a fire fighter at all now.

Well, DUH! News flash for you non-fire fighters out there. There is always molten metal in a fire that big. No large, amorphous blobs of iron were found. Nothing to investigate there. There were great quantities of aluminum, brass and lead melted in the fire. There were several million live rounds of pistol ammo in Build #6 alone. That stuff burns damned hot.

sure there were why all the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing lies man?

They are not usually there to observe the ignition of a house fire. Of course they would do a more careful examination of a fire that they did not see start.

now that is some more twisted (*)(*)(*)(*) man!
so if they see something burst into flames they simply sit on their asses and say DUH it started fire DUH, why does that not suprise me that is precisely the way you would approach a fire.

He's a jackass and I have had more experience and training in aircraft related fires than he has had time to get. A whole forum full of more experienced fire fighters than I share my opinion of the drooling lunatic.

They were not investigating a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing aircraft, whats the matter with you man? Your posts are getting so ridiculous its beginning to make me wonder if you are ok.

 

Have to call them as I see them. So do all the other active and retired fire fighters at the Firehouse.com forum. He's deluded and a rookie.

I and all his other critics have read the SOP as well, and know that it is not a mandatory standard for fires of known cause.

Care to show that he has even .0001% of real fire fighters on his side?

There is no proof of molten steel. Molten aluminum is almost always present, occasionally brass, copper and lead. It is a natural product of such a large fire. Nothing to explain.
Well, DUH! News flash for you non-fire fighters out there. There is always molten metal in a fire that big. No large, amorphous blobs of iron were found. Nothing to investigate there.

The only documentented lies are from 9/11 whackjob conspiracy theorists and the Nazis who need them stirred up.

You would, of course, be thinking from the wrong end of your torso. If it is not clear howa fire started, yes, it must be investigated. We know what started the fires in the WTC.

They were actually just there to put out the fires caused by two aircraft crashes known to have been caused by controlled flight into terrain. Nothing for them to investigate at their level.

 

Ever get the feeling posting to koko is like posting to a drunk college student?

 

You know its not that often I see you stoop to outright lying! Gawd this has to be painful for you!

here are your firefighters in an honest debate with lawyer, its as honest as your debating style.

what a bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*)ing losers and that is all you got for (*)(*)(*)(*) sake? There are several other that totally side with lawyer. Stooping to lying is not something that helps your cause.

You can always tell when someone knows what they are talking about, because the only attack is ad hominem bull(*)(*)(*)(*) as we see with your "cough...credible sources".

the only thing you got here is your embarrassment!

Dear Sir,

My name is **blank** and I am a 10 year veteran of the Chicago Fire Dept. Like most that have pursued a career in the fire service, I consider it a calling much more than a career. I’ve always felt an overwhelming desire to help those in need and serve my country in such a capacity, which brings me to the purpose for writing this letter.

September 11, 2001. As the world watched in horror, more than 3000 innocent people lost their lives to an unspeakable evil. This was without a doubt, the darkest day in our lifetime and in many eyes, American history. We saw the best and the worst of humanity as Firefighters, Police officers, Port Authority workers and so many others gave their lives so that another might live. In the following days, weeks and months, rescuers poured in from around the country to assist, anything they could do to help. Our nation was in a state of shock that brought forth an entire range of emotions. Deep sorrow, fear, uncertainty and hatred, coupled with love for each other, community, emergent patriotism and resolve. I still remember those strange days following, when people looked each other in the eye with a sense of “togetherness” I’ve never witnessed before or after. Over the next several days, we were shown the faces and the names of those who perpetrated this crime against our nation. We vowed to hunt down, kill and bring these individuals to justice. In addition, we vowed to make sure this would never happen again by declaring a “War on Terror.”

With the shock of this terrible day hanging over us like a fog, the American people started searching for answers. How did our defenses fail us? Why were the planes not intercepted by NORAD? How could three sky scrapers collapse in such a fashion? A group of 9/11 victims family members called “The Family Steering Committee” demanded an investigation from the Bush administration. After being met with much resistance, the 9/11 Commission was formed. Unfortunately, only about 30 % of the families’ questions were answered and the Commission itself was widely regarded as “compromised” due to conflict of interest, omissions and obstruction of justice. The numerous omissions and distortions contained in the official investigation, has given birth to the “9/11 Truth Movement”.

In November of 2005, I was detailed to another firehouse. It was a quiet day and we were hanging out watching some mindless television show when one of the guys asked if we wanted to watch a documentary on 9/11. Of course we were receptive to this considering the subject matter, so we agreed. The film was called “Loose Change” (2nd edition). The film brought up many compelling arguments against the “official” story of the events surrounding 9/11. Although I was outraged by such allegations, I felt that I needed to watch the entire film. After it was over, we talked and had some lively debates about the issues addressed. I was disturbed, yet determined to prove that this was all spin and “conspiracy theory”. I went home and spoke with my wife, telling her about the film and how much it bothered me. Over the next couple of weeks, I spent considerable time researching the information presented in the film. I looked at both sides of the coin, the official story vs. the emergent evidence and although I found some of the issues presented on the film highly debatable, I came to the very uncomfortable conclusion that we were being lied to.
Needless to say, I was floored. I felt as if my life had been ripped out from under me. I had voted twice (regrettably) for Bush, vehemently supported the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and would have marched into Red China, had you told me Osama Bin Laden was there! I began speaking to many people, both on and off the job, about this topic, mostly met with the same disbelief and outrage I had experienced. I started to believe that perhaps I was misinformed; it certainly seemed too outrageous to be true. This led me to yet another round of research, this time to disprove my worst fears, believing the contradictions to be only coincidence. I had found a “9/11 Debunking” book that had given me the psychological escape route I needed. Although I still had lingering doubts, I was able to cast them aside with the explanations given. I was free.

About a year later, I began to hear more and more people talking about this subject (especially other firemen) expressing the same concerns I had. I believed that I had found all I needed to disprove the “conspiracy theory” and argued against some of the very research that I had originally done. However, this time I was introduced to a wealth of previously unknown information, most importantly, information that answered the question of “WHY?” This led me on a quest to find out as much as I could about our history, monetary system, political system, events of today’s world and of course 9/11. What I had found was a vast network of research and history that most are unaware of. I began to read stories from alternate news sources from around the country and abroad. It seemed very strange that so many stories of major significance were usually never mentioned in the mainstream media. Taking into account the fact that most people get nearly all their information from mainstream media outlets, it was no wonder that more people weren’t aware of these issues. Once again, I had come to the uncomfortable conclusion that, not only are we being lied to, we are going down a very dangerous path.

When the events of 9/11, along with our current national/world crisis, are viewed with an open mind, devoid of blind faith or “state sponsored” patriotism, we can view significant historic events as they really are. The 9/11 attacks gave birth to two things that have since shaped our foreign and domestic policy: fear and nationalism. With legislation such as The Patriot Act, FISA bill, Military tribunals, REAL ID act, domestic surveillance, suspension of Habeas Corpus and Pose Commutates, our Constitution has been eviscerated in the name of protecting us from terrorists. The feverish Nationalism generated by the attacks allowed the administration to declare war on a tactic, (terrorism) with no limits or boundaries, thus further creating hatred and distain toward America. The “War on Terror” became a self perpetuating war that will continue indefinitely if allowed.

Is it mere coincidence that many top foreign policy advisors over the last 30 years have called for American dominance in the resource rich nations of the Middle East and Eurasia? Or that in papers and books written by these same parties, have stated the need for a “New Pearl Harbor” or a “truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat” to accomplish said dominance? What can one make of the fact that these parties are also interconnected with International bankers, multinational corporations, media heads and various world leaders in non-governmental “think tanks” that drive foreign policy, such as, The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), The Trilateral Commission and The Bilderberg Group?

I am fully aware of how outrageous this all sounds, but as comforting as it would be to write it off as “conspiracy theory”, it is sadly 100% true.

 

Since when are adults required to give a punk kid the respect of listening to his paranoid rant? Lawyer is not welcome in the professional discussions of fire fighters. The boy should stick to selling houses for a living.

 

Actually, no. The writer in that quotation is a jackass or a terrorist of some white nationalist stripe.

Well, we know where his brain sprang a leak. Loose Change is mostly a compilation of white nationalist lies. None of ding-a-ling Dylan's crap comes from sources with any credentials that have not long since expired, sometimes with the "expert's" last functioning brain cells.

Idiot boy Avery bases a lot of his crap on the "reporting" of a fugitive felon named Christopher Bollyn, a known Nazi. The fool has no credentials and tells a lot of lies.

Toss that stuff in the 50 gallon drum with the plastic liner and the biohazard label on the side.

That Bush the Lesser and his merry morons used it as an excuse to start a couple of wars that they were incapable of winning because of their lack of military skills in beside the point.

 

so then neither you nor the 2 idiots from that old shut down thread from 2004 on that other forum have ANYTHING what so ever beyond personal and ad hominem attacks against the guy.

Everyone is a nazi that disagrees with you and your blindness.

 

What personal attacks? They were laughing at the stupidity of all of the fake "experts" who put up 9/11 sites, especially those drooling morons and fakes and terrorists in the Alan Miller franchise and at the rookie who was making an ass of himself. They were expressing a professional opinion.

Bollyn and Eric Hufschmid started the 9/11 whakiness by using their white nationalist media as a launching pad. Nazis and Holocaust deniers, both of those maggots. Dylan is just a schmuck who bought into it.

 

thats a joke right.

someone reading an official procedures manual always makes an ass out themselves when it contradicts "your" self proclaimed opinion. Lets see your peer reviewed work on the subject Mr expert.

when all else fails bring in the nazi card and holocaust denier card, and schmuck card and moron card. You are on a roll. All you got is ad hominem attacks and unlike truthers ZERO credible evidence

 

Sir, you do a disservice to all drunk college students with that comparison. Drunk mental patients, however, would gladly accept him into the fold.

 

I stand corrected...<G>