Real policy debate not vanity of bigotry

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I am very familiar with the basic terms of “ Social Construction” and the negative consequences of one country robbing another country of its higher functioning citizens. However confronting the facts may be, the individuals abandoning their native homeland have to take a certain amount of responsibility for their behaviour and actions also, and negating that fact will serve no purpose.

Sometime people “over think” a basic problem, and the correct solution is found using the Occam’s razor protocol, and “pub politics” as the methodology, as it cuts through all the unnecessary political correctness and bullshyte, and gets to the point and solution much faster.

Solution 1) Australia needs to stop being a US puppet, and stay out of wars in the Middle East. Then Australia wouldn’t have to feel guilty or responsible about accepting Middle Eastern refugees. If the US wants to cause wars and turmoil in the Middle East, then let the USA be responsible for all the Middle Eastern refugees fleeing these countries because of the wars they insight.

Solution 2) Australia needs to start educating and producing more professionals at Universities at an international level. This will result in cheap foreign doctors, nurses and professionals not being wanted or poached from other countries that need their services more than Australia.

 

Hello everyone,

I am a poor little helpless and defenceless asylum seeker locked up in Villawood detention centre by cruel Australians.

I am given three health meals a day, a nice comfortable warm bed to sleep in and a secure roof over my head. I have access to bathroom facilities, and the Australian tax payers have give me $40 per day to buy personal items I need. I enjoy free 24 hour medical care and access to many recreational facilities such as the internet.

I have fled my home country and came to Australia, because I was terrified of the constant threat of being raped and killed. I did however stop along the way during my terrifying experience to shop for some top of the range clothing (jeans and T-shirts) and buy a top of the range Nokia phone. You would have seen this when I was on the roof top at the Villawood detention centre rioting, and helped burn down the place, because I didn’t think the accommodation you provided me was adequate.

Some of you do-gooder people are really stupid, and I hope very much you continue to be very stupid, because I am relying on that to get into your country through a backdoor process.

If I was in a genuine refugee camp, my status and credentials would not qualify me to be accepted into your country as a true legitimate refugee, that’s why I have to hire and pay criminals $8000 to smuggle me into your country through the backdoor.

Please continue being stupid, because the more stupid people that want to help me and others like me get illegally smuggled into your country, the less genuine and legitimate refugees will get accepted.

Thank you.

 

It's actually not a bad read! It was a case of old names but same arguments from various sides! Interesting to see that there were a few banned members in that mix!

Australia can do more! I think we've got to disregard the rapacious loony bogans!

I think everybody agrees that the risky boat trek is glaringly concerning! I think we need to consider what you've raised regarding the land trek and the dangers associated! Got to forget the finger pointing in addressing this very human issue! We in the western world need to demonstrate what sets us apart and makes us successful..... and that is our humanity....for the most part anyway, which excludes those loony bogans who can only manage one-dimensional, superficial thinking!

I think we can increase our intake significantly and support those that require assistance to become productive and proud Aussies! Asylum seekers and refugees tend to actually stimulate our economy in the first instance! Reprimanding harshly the racists and inconsiderate low life bogan loonies who only aim to upset the process due to their own simple minded insecurities is very important in the process!

The Houston report suggested once again that our governments should be working with the region to help address issues! But the work still has to be done in the meantime and that means supporting people to escape the inhumanity in their own countries!

 

Are you seriously telling us that you can`t see a problem with letting people smuggling grow at the rate that it has since 2007?

 

What created the demand?

 

Hate to interrupt your emotive cryathon, but you do realise that these "victims of man`s inhumanity to man", are only such because they failed to kick the spit out of the other side, don`t you? Before you embark on another marathon of emotive diarrheatribe, consider if you can, a couple of facts emanating from reality. Australia has a very limited capacity to accommodate strays, and there are billions of people on this earth, who would love to come here. We can`t fix the problems of the world, and charity begins at home. However much you want to hate white Australia, and our history, however demanding your need to abuse, and denigrate this country, we have developed a lot of positive aspects in this country. The old guilt trip crap is for losers.

It`s common sense, that we need to clean up Killer`s mess ASAP. No amount of navel gazing self gratification will alter the fact.

 

What you say does have a lot of merit. Not what the hair shirt brigade want to hear, but I`ve found them to have an extremely narrow view of the world. It`s standard practice within the narrow minded PC agenda, to concentrate exclusively on selected aspects of any issue, and completely ignore inconvenient facts. My dog is like that, he is a good dog, but I don`t expect too much depth of thought out of him. This is the primary reason, that when confronted with complicated issues, I don`t ask the dog`s opinion, he dosen`t get a vote.

 

What a bunch of aunt Sally's you've attempted to use here! LMAO!

- a billion people

- hate white australia

- denigrate the country

- guilt trip

All the traits of a bogan argument! Go figure!

 

Too silly, you are the weakest link. Goodbye.

 

Yep, had nothing but a failed attempt at setting up a few strawman around the place! Weak argument, simply weak!

 

actually I find it terribly sad I allowed you to draw me away from the policy discussion I asked for. So I will return.

Could you explain, your opinion of both these policies in an attempt to address the biggest issue of asylum-seekers that is the people smuggling trade? Do you believe they are real solutions?

I have heard all about the increase intake and other programs that simply ignore the issue of death at sea due to the pomposity of pretence of moral superiority, but nothing to actually address head on the issue these policies are introduced to address.

I note that few here have actually expected the ALP policy is a serious attempt to address that one point. I also note that nobody has answered the question of why the government want to combine the issues of processing and people smuggling to their own ends is good or bad.

But hey main point is to address the policies of both parties, not to create opinion and in some cases demonstrate the bigotry of a minority of Australians

 

No, please tell me were I said that, it is a huge problem.

 

Would you like to discuss points relevant to this problem? To properly cover this issue, we need to dig a bit deeper than the elcheapo, shallow minded selection of the aspects of this issue, that shallow media like SBS, and the ABC feed on. We are aware of the emotional issues, the hardship that billions of people around the globe suffer. Neither does it take much thought to recognise the misery and tragedy that boat people face. Bear in mind though, that every single one of these boat people are more cashed up than the majority of the world`s refugees. They at least, have options, which is much more than other refugees have, the ones that the boat people contrive to push in front of.

 

What a load of crap about boat people being cashed up! Why risk life and limb on a leaky old boat when they can simply fly to Australia "first class" on a holiday visa and then beg not to be sent back like every other asylum seeker that comes by plane and consequently flies under the radar of the australian people's judgement!

 

I think you already explained your own question... according to your acceptance rates.

 

Australia currently takes in 20,000 asylum seekers annually and Rudd's plan to send all boat people to Papua New Guinea would discourage human smuggling commercialised in Indonesia. Precluding potential boat arrival from settling in Australia would force genuine asylum seekers to apply for asylum without illegal border crossings and rewarding lawbreakers is always a wrong strategy. A Galaxy poll published by News Corp Australia found people rated Rudd better than Opposition Leader Tony Abbott at handling the asylum seeker issue, 40 to 38 per cent, and the issue may determine the outcome of the general election.

 

What an ignorant response! It's not about acceptance but eligibility rates! If they're not going to be eligible by arriving on a plane they won't be eligible by arrival in a boat and vice versa!

 

So what are you complaining about? As stated you answered your own question according to acceptance rates...

 

I believe the figures are much higher, but due to the fact I do not have the figures we can let them stand.

Problem is, the ability to apply before getting on the boats. It can be done but it is extremely difficult and due to the handling of the people who do circumvent the process, people who do apply are left waiting indefinitely with no help for an answer. Australians ignore the people who apply before crossing boarders in preference of those who pay or are exploited by this sleazy trade are their focus, thus the people who do try to do the appropriate thing are left to wallow in the despair of the displaced. Preference should be made to have better consulate access for this purpose and faster supportive answers.


As Australia has continued to reward the lawbreakers on this issue, how can they expect Indonesia and other countries these boats sail from to do anything about it? Australians has shown the stupidity of combining the issue of processing to the boats at sea. As a minority would like to show their racism and bigotry, others want to stop the practice causing deaths at sea. The government wants to combine the two points of contention to include everybody in the result so they can continue to retain the issues on the public scene. Should any party have the guts or fortitude to actually address the problems with decency and directly, they get my vote. But while they play with people’s lives rewarding crime and ignoring the real issues, we can only look to what will achieve the necessary to stop the deaths. Unfortunately the government only wish to continue the problem.
This policy sounds reasonable, but the fact that numbers are a huge issue, I am considering that the policy is simply an election whim that cannot be followed through on. Neither policy is good in my opinion, but due to lack of decent policy, all we have.

 

Yes the boat people have something other refugees do not have, the money to pay for a boat ride, if the others had the money they probably would do the same thing. There is no way on earth I would even try to imagine what it would be like to be a refugee, and I have a pretty vivid imagination. I have no idea what it would be like to try and raise a family under the conditions that even the better off in these countries live under. My dad rings me to see if I'm OK if Sydney has a bad storm, and I am always concerned if my daughter is OK, yet we live in such relatively safe conditions. I do know this, they are humans, and I know that most of their problems are not of their own making, and I for one could not just sit here and do nothing, I cannot do a lot, but I can support them.

 

All true. The majority of Earth`s human population, couldn`t even dream of how well off we are here. Our good fortune isn`t really due to natural resources, but stability, and lack of internal conflict, so far. We wouldn`t be human if we didn`t feel a need to help others less fortunate, but we need to be careful that we don`t sacrifice practicality, for the sake of a selfish feelgood. Not meant as an insult (like the crayon joke, nah just a joke), but a genuine caution, a caution that I constantly remind myself with.

 

Great post aussie, but what is "selfish feel good "?

 

Charity, for the sake of making the "giver" feel good. Not facing up to harsh reality, thereby making a bad situation worse. See, "Killer Kev softens border protection laws - one thousand, one hundred people DEAD, and rising". Good one Killer, you are a legend, in Idiotville.

 

I have to say that Rudd is to blame for this disastrous situation. He "rocked in" and changed a working policy for the sake of it, because it wasn't his and that may get some latte sippers voting for him. Then he had to "zip", albeit with a few daggers in his back.

As much as I sympathise with the plight of these people, it seems the only thing that has worked has been a hard line. His current hard line is like a macaroon, hard on the outside, but very soft in the centre.