Real policy debate not vanity of bigotry

Ask any crusading do-gooder or the Greens party, why refugees released from detention who are not Australian citizens, should be given Australian public housing accommodation “over” the one million Australians on public housing waiting lists, and the estimated 300,000 homeless Australians, and wait for their reply.

They will never answer truthfully, and will deflect answering the question with either silence or a tangent that encompasses their agenda. The usual childish tangent used by these do-gooders in Government money diversion or lack of funding, and how lack of funding for public housing doesn’t have anything to do with refugees.

Unfortunately, their logic could not be further from the facts or truth, but their propensity for self-righteousness due to acts of contrition for past mistakes and bad deeds blinds them to reality.

These crusading do-gooders so blindly focus on trying to achieve forgiveness through acts of contrition; whether it be refuges or the environment, that basic commonsense is completely forgotten - they revert to a childlike mentality seeking forgiveness by their parents, but in their case, its from some omnipotent being.

What do-gooder and the Greens party fail to understand, is not everyone has done crappy or bad things throughout their lives, and some of us don’t need to go off on irrational do-gooder crusades to seek forgiveness or redemption before we die.

I don’t believe do-gooders deliberately turning a blind eye to facts and the truth is going to get them get forgiveness or redemption anyway. Its just making them look like they haven’t learnt anything.

These boat asylum seeker have knowingly and willingly engaged in criminal activity in Indonesia by seeking out criminal people smugglers, and paying the criminal people smugglers $8000 to illegally smuggle them into Australian through the backdoor.

These so-called refugees state they leave their countries in fear of their lives from being killed, raped and tortured, but they also traverse through 7 other countries before they hop on boat to Australia. Not once do these terrified and victimised little things think to approach an Australian Embassy in any of these 7 countries, and ask for protection and help. They finally make it to Indonesia, and these terrified and victimised poor little things are so scared from being killed, raped and tortured, that they hang around in Indonesia until they save up $8000AUD to get smuggled into Australia.

Seriously, I have never heard a bigger load of utter crap in my entire life, and I am ashamed that the IQ’s in Australia have dropped so low that this garbage is believed. I am starting to wonder how many backward morons in this country actually believe that Alice in Wonderland is non-fictional.

I reckon my 12 year would be able to concoct a more believable story, and if that is the case, what does that say about the Australian intellect.

 

Maybe you can post some facts or truth about this, referenced of course, not just figures you have conjured up ....
As for your second and very arrogant paragraph,not all people that have humanitarian views are doing so because they are trying to achieve forgiveness through acts of contrition or go off on irrational do-gooder crusades to seek forgiveness or redemption before they die, some people do it Because they care and some people feel the way you do because they only care about themselves

 

The debate on these issues are so hyped up by both sides that it is ahrd to know where the truth is and where the falsehoods start.

The feeling I get on Rudd's asylum/refugee anouncement is that it is half thought out, abit like AVO's. A violent crazed stalker is not going to care about a piece of paper. This policy is good in principal but what does Australia have to do to make it workable, I mean Papua New Guinea is not exactlyparadise. Tin shed shanty towns, no major infrastructure, large scale unemployment and homelessness, and crime and violence in every street. There has to be some financial and economic payoff for PNG. Again it looks like Rudd the diplomat trying to please everyone all the time.

The FBT move on cars is again a good idea but it needs refining. How about any car under this plan which is included in salary packages over a threshold of say $150,000 a year is targetted. That would attack those who can afford to run the car and leave those who rely on tax breaks to run the vehicle. If you are earning $3000 a week then you can afford to run a vehicle for your job.

Rudd has form in half thinking things through and then having those half policies blow up in his face. Personally he is a better otion than the Liberal leader but his past will come back to haunt him.

 

I do not classify people coming here by boat as asylum seekers or refugees. They engaged in criminal activity in Indonesia by hiring criminal people smugglers to illegally smuggle them into my country illegally through the backdoor - that makes them just as culpable as the people smugglers they hire.

If I pay someone $8000 to take me on a private boat trip, and the boat sinks. Why do I think the Indonesian and Australian Governments should be responsible or to blame?

Is it not the owner of the boat I paid the $8000 too?

After all, no one put a gun to my head and forced me on a boat without a life jacket. Commonsense should have told me NOT to go on a rickety little boat from Indonesia to Australia without a life jacket. Maybe commonsense should have also told me the boat MIGHT be over crowded also.

Well, I paid the money and took the risk, so what ever happened or happens should be my responsibility and my fault - cannot keep blaming everyone and everything for conscious decisions I make.

If I don't want to take any personal responsibility and wipe my bum the right way, does that mean I can blame the Indonesian & Australian Government just because I'm a refugee?

 

How sad, it most be so lonely being the centre of your own universe

 

In your opinion, what way is he a better option than Abbott ? And please don't say " I just don't like the look of him ".

In my opinion Kevin Rudd is the worst scenario Australia has. He is an ego maniac and as you put it, he half thinks things through. Policy on the run I think it is being called.

Personally I do not regard any of them.

 

Some people are just born with a pole up their asss!

 

We can see that the pole dosen`t bother you, but you really should do something about the blinkers, and those mind deadening drugs.

 

slipperyfish, I do not intend to vote for anyone. My civil disobedience protest is I pay the fine and do not vote.

Abbott is just as bad, but if you think KRudd is an egomaniac then Abbott is twice as bad.

Like his mentor John Howard he is stuck in the 1950's.

He is a mysoginistic person who is also a hypocrite. Just because he has a wife 3 daughters and a mother that does not mean he likes women. Plenty of jihadists have wives but they only have them around to create more men. It is how you treat women who are not related to you. It was alright for him to lead the attack on Penny Wong's lifestyle when she first entered the senate, but when his sister was running for a council seat in Sydney and her lifestyle came up, he suddenly said that that lifestyle was alright and he condoned it. Herecy for a devout catyholic like him.

Any idea that he does not think of is automatically dismissed by him as bad. Thi9s is a veryu poor leadership quality, especially in a prime minister.

He is a self confessed liar. In the documentary The Howard Years, he admitted that he told Peter Costello after the 2004 election that Howard would move on and hand leadership over and that he would support Costello. But when push came to shove and the moment arrived for Abbott to move his mentor on, he changed his mind and put his partys leader before the party.

He has shifting loyalties. He is very beholden to the business sector (as all liberal leaders are), but he still thinks workchoices is a good idea, even though companies are making record profits, the unemployment rate is low and the standard of living in Australia is high.

I do not think either of the leaders of the two main parties are worth voting for so my advice is to not vote at all, then you can truthfully say you did not put either of them in the prime ministership.

 

Unfortunately, both ALP and Coalition policies in this area has much to be desired. The problem with the PNG solution is that it is largely untested and that the numbers do not add up. Sure sending them all offshore (IMO) is the only option but the fact housing such numbers at this present time is impossible. Rudd will be playing catch up with this policy and the scumbags in this situation know they only have to ramp up the numbers (which they seem to be doing) BUT, if it works to stop this trade...

Now this is a good point to the FBT, but I would consider going one step further and making the plan only include Australian manufactured cars.

 

Can you remember what actually set Big Jooles off on the "misogyny? tantrum?

 

Hey, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink! Don mackay tried but lost his life for the cause! Look, you've got to do it yourself aussie, or at least get some professional help! Say this prayer after me.......God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know difference! Be strong!

 

You`d have hated Donald Mackay TV. He stood against your core principals, he was a success. As for the wisdom you copied from your boyfriend`s toilet wall, you needn`t have spent so much time in there, copying it down, but thanks anyway.

 

Classic.

 

You have also just discribed Gillard/Rudd and the ALP/union party.

 

No, he is describing the coalition, and doing it well, live with it.

 

Lifeguide. you still haven`t answered the question. From what you wrote, I gathered that you think you have a right to accuse a man of misogyny, simply on the basis that he dosen`t agree with every woman on the planet. Your betters have instructed you that Abbott is a misogynist, but you can`t justify that filthy little label. Particularly in the case of Gillard, who is completely lacking in any form of manners, or class, a man can despise her for the pig she continually proves herself to be, it`s nothing to do with misogyny, it`s simple human interaction. Real women don`t need to be as damsels in distress as you imply.

 

Don't worry lifeguide, we are still waiting for numerous responses from aussie! He's got a bit of cheek hasn't he.

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Is this the best you've got?

 

Gillard accusing Abbot of misogyny stems form decades of being sexually ignored by men. You don’t get much more desperate than using a handbag as an obvious sexual shield. I truly believe in her own little fantasy world, that she believed Abbott was flirting with her, and when she finally woke up, and realised she was making an idiot of herself; she turned bitter and vengeful.

My wife calls her the “pig from hell” and advocates she had done more irreparable damage between the relations of men and women than anyone in the past 50 years.

The media and Gillard claimed Tony Abbott stood in front of the sign saying “ditch the witch”. Abbott denounced the wording on the sign. How can anyone be held responsible for someone else’s sign; especially when you are on live TV, and someone comes up behind you with a sign you cannot see. Was Abbott suppose to have eyes in the back of his head to stop the protestor?

Gillard and her cronies lies about Abbott. Abbott did NOT stand next to any of these signs, the signs were put at the back of him where he could not see them when he was speaking on the podium.

 

Gillard`s got more hangups than a State School hat rack, conducts herself like a pig, then can`t work out why people don`t like her. Repulsive as she is, I don`t think Gillard has done any real harm to intersexual relationship. Real women denounce her, reject her slime, and we appreciate them for doing so. Frothing man haters, and PC eunuchs, are out there anyway, the same as they were pre Gillard.

As for being called a witch. Anyone who gets cut up by little things like that, is too soft to run a CWA meeting, let alone the country. Furthermore, I`ve seen a few movies with witches in them, but no witch was ever that fakkin ugly.

 

TV, be honest, the "questions" I ignored, were wanking diversions. I admit to ignoring childish tactics.

 

Many people we 'select' might be in that category. I'm not sure how many people risk a boat arrival fit it, my guess would be few.

I'm just so tired of the framed debate, the 'system' that keeps it happening is still in place because we still profit from it. No one discusses how our share portfolio or superannuation contributes to perfectly understandable 'economic migration'.

 

Assuming "a lot" of them are (genuinely interested to know what kind of percentages we're talking about, and what we mean by 'middle class'), i still must assume a powerful driver is in place to take such risks. Though perhaps they do not always know the real risks. While some people stay and "fight or resist" (not necessarily with violence), others flee. I personally understand it. I think the government possibly ensures a strong middle-class through regulation and wealth distribution. Once a government becomes 'ist' (fascist, communist etc) or a corporatocracy i'm not sure there's anything the middle-class can do. The country almost must collapse before it can rebuild. Maybe.. i don't really know, i'm just thinking out loud as we so often do here.

I have no doubt that some issues in some countries are largely of their own making and might be able to be overcome by their own hands alone. But a hell of a lot of issues have our footprints all over them. Name a country we're getting refugees from and i'll attempt to summarise what i expect or know has our hands bloodied and why it would be nearly impossible for that country to 'fix' itself.

 

So instead we contribute to them.

 

I don't consider people smuggling to be the issue. I consider the poverty, repression and violence that people suffer to be the issue so i cannot really answer your question as it is framed. Ask me about our complicity in the genocide of the Timorese. Those that came, should we have turned them back? Ask me about our super funds getting fat on the Bhopal disaster, or left-over pollution in the Amazon from oil drilling or the US-backed corruption of the Iraqi parliament to push through the sale of Iraqi oil fields to foreign corporations (let alone the whole bloody invasion!) or the world bank loaning to corrupt and impoverished nations amounts they will never be able to pay back and then funding the corporations to buy up dirt cheap assets in a desperate or corrupt attempts to pay back the loans. There must be millions of examples