Rebel offensive in Syria gains ground as Russian military presence fades.

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

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    Actually the rebels fight both Assad army and ISIS. Who told you the rebels are ISIS?
     
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    No .. the rebels are not fighting against the Islamic State .. they are fighting for the Islamic State .. Led by a previous High Up Islamist in the Islamic State .. the stated purpose of his group is to re-establish the Islamic State.

    Who told you the rebels are fighting against the Islamic State PL .. or did you must make it up. ..Every major news outlet .. and minor .. on both sides of fence is reporting that these rebels are Islamic State fighters .. call them rebranded Al Qaeda if you like .. same thing.

    Did you not get the memo ?
     
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    Clearly you are confused about something .. given my entire post was premised on the fact that the majority of Muslims are "Islamist" = will not accept secular laws. .. stating that all the Muslim Nations pretty much in the ME ... is Islamist .. Syria being the shining star exception .. being secular .. no Sharia ..no throwing gays off buildings .. making women wear halloween costumes .. to the contrary .. dancing and drinking alcohol in bars in mini skirt is quite acceptable .. wearing proper bathing attire on the beach .. getting an education .. driving a car .. leaving the house without a male escort .. that kind of thing .. Freedom in some ways more so than in dear old USA .. "No forcing religious belief on others through physical violence - LAW" is something that clearly had you confused.

    but no matter "IT IS FACT" that the Islamist hates secularism .. that the main battle of Bin Laden .. was against secularism .. the Holy Jihad in Syria starting in 2011 .. Obama's "JV-Team" was against secularism .. the purpose was to create .. an Islamic State .. a new caliphate .. a new Islamic State in Syria - ISIS is what was created in 2013 .. lasted for 4 years .. and oh what joy that system was to the Christians and minorities living there.

    Now .. did you understand why it is I believe that folks wearing a halloween costume should not be granted citizenship ..
     
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    I don't know if this was 4D chess or not but this Syria **** (which I admittingly do not know much about) kicked off during Obama's administration during what I remember to be an attempt at regime change. Russia, who is Assad is aligned with, of course backed the Syrian army to repel this attempt from the United States backed forces and this war to control Syria has raged on ever since.

    Russia then attacks Ukraine and instead of giving Ukraine the weapons it would need to actually stop Russia, Biden instead gives Ukraine just enough to keep Russia busy. That along with sanctions have diminished Russia's ability to support Assad. Almost 3 years later and now look, Assad is about to be toppled. If I look at an active map of Syria, the Kurds are going to be the ones likely to get the majority of Syria as it gets fractured off into various groups of ownership. ISIS, Israel, Turkey and the Kurds.

    This is a mess but with Russia being occupied and sanctioned, that's helped greatly with the downfall of the Syrian army and Assad.
     
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    Turkey won't allow an autonomous Kurdish area. This is Erdogan's opportunity to settle the Kurdish independence issue in Syria. They just neutralized a high level leader of women's Kurdish movement in Iraq.
     
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    Videos have emerged online that appear to show Syrian rebels taunting and then beheading a boy they say is a captured Palestinian pro-government fighter.

    Disgusting, appalling, 8 years in the past and not the same people who have taken over now.
     
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    https://www.dw.com/en/syria-updates-rebels-announce-curfew-after-assads-fall/live-70993412
     
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    In the past, ISIS refused to vow fealty to AQ and its leaders. Groups aligned with AQ have fought against ISIS in the past in Syria and elsewhere. Neither group has a history of coexisting very well with the other. But in the 20-teens ISIS in Syria and Iraq was decimated by the forces that lined up against it, which were many. I would think that whatever new government is formed in Syria would not want that to happen to them.

    There is much to be concerned about with this change. This places an AQ affiliated group in charge of a country that borders Israel. On its face, that does not sound like a recipe for peace and stability. Additionally, we may wonder how this will affect the U.S. presence in Syria and the future of the Kurdish population.

    Right now we are left only to speculate. Will the various factions within the rebels coalesce into a viable government, or will they turn on each other? In the past, AQ has influenced countries, and they have fought in various countries, but AQ has never governed a country. Can an AQ-affiliated group govern? Can it govern a country with so many disparate religions and ethnicities in it? Can it garner the support of other countries in the world? In the long run, will it live in peace with its neighbors? Will the toppling of the Assad government inspire and reinvigorate rebels in other middle eastern countries?

    I think all we can do is speculate. Time will tell.
     
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    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241208-the-sectarian-risk-turkiyes-syrian-mission/

    Turkey has two main goals - repatriate the Syrian refugees (3.5 million of them) who are in Turkey, and contain or eliminate the Kurdish militants in Northern Syria. It's unclear whether they control what is happening now further south or whether they care what happens over 100 miles from the Turkish border. Their allies, the Qataris, probably have more influence from Hama south and to the east towards Iraq. Except for the area around Damascus and south, it is mostly desert anyway. Iran might be quite comfortable with a Sunni Islamist regime in that area. They have supported the Hamas Sunni Islamists all along.
     
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    All kinds of video's were posted on the internet of of the Islamic State Head Choppers .. .. and it is exactly those people who have taken over .. you have absolutely no basis for your made up assertion .. absolutely no knowledge of the conflict in general sans a memory of some Rachel Maddow Moderate Rebel Lie Spin .. debunked 100 times .. including by Biden himself.

    What part of .. Islamic State is the objective .. do you not understand ? .. and it matters not what re-branded name the Spawn of Al Qaeda and Mother El Saud .. do you not understand .. you have not the faintest idea of this war .. now talking to all of us who were here from 2011 onward covering this topic upside down. .. making unsubstantiated false proclamations.

    What is an Islamist .... how many of the "Rebels" (Terrorists according to the USA watchlist) are Islamists ? .. and why does it matter if they are Islamists ?
     
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    I can tell you're upset that a brutal dictator who chemical-bombed his own people to cling on to power has finally been deposed, but that's no reason to trash-talk Syrian's freedom fighters, especially those who in word and deed want peace and security "for all Syrians of all religions."
     
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    Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes, well, he eats you.
     
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    I did say Russia would have to 'reinforce' Syrian forces which I assumed would make clear the need for Russian troops (and their equipment) to be put on the ground in Syria in significant numbers. For all the reasons I outlined though that was a practical impossibility. Airlift was merely the only means Russia had of doing anything to assist Syria quickly. And even if every heavy lift aircraft Russia had available was diverted to assist Syria after the fall of Aleppo? Putin still wouldn't have had enough time to do much more than garrison his precious naval base and maybe Damascus where they would have promptly been besieged.
     
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    'Chicken Spurs' Donald is now an expert on the art of war? Really?
     
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    Fair enough.
     
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    Bummer ....Gifter , Assad is toast....ran off to Moscovites(or dead,depending who you ask).

    Tartus being vacated I hear...."For Lease" signs appearing, No reasonable offer refused.

    Where to put those tubs?

    Black Sea?....hmmm, no not safe.

    Vladivostok?.....way too far....and too many US subs lurking around there.

    Konigsberg?....that's a NATO lake now.

    Try Murmansk maybe...or is it froze over already?

    Limited options gifty....not looking good for Botox chimp?:)
     
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    Europe will pay for the Islamist takeover of Syria. Just like Afghanistan, Syria will start exporting terrorism to the West without law and order under a functioning government. Trump argued that the US should not intervene: "The country is in chaos, but it is not our friend. It is not America's fight and we should not get involved."
     
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    How will the ME reconstruct itself:
     
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    I'm just glad he's making pro-Ukrainian noises.
     
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    This interview kicks off with him saying he will probably send less aid to the Ukraine, and alludes that he is already in negotiations with Putin:

     
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    It wouldn't be the first time he said one thing and did another.
     
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    Lacking Russian oil and gas, Europe is dependent on the Middle East. Chaos in the Middle East could shut off their energy supplies and tank their economies. So the Middle East is Europe's problem. They need a new Berlin - Baghdad Axis.
     
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