Rebel offensive in Syria gains ground as Russian military presence fades.

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  1. zoom_copter66

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    "If any RuSsian conscripts get killed , it's bad luck rather than intentional"?

    Maybe....that depends on the rebels on the ground where and how they surrender. 10 yrs of bombs on the head has lots of hatred built up.


    "Send them back to Putin as a goodwill gesture"....use them as bargaining chips"?

    Also...maybe....but let's be realistic....there's nothing "goodwill" when dealing with the Orcs.

    Many conscripts taken POW in Ukraine as an example were sent back....only to be taken POW again or KIA.

    All options?....could be...wait & see.
     
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    I am referring to the casualties of the Syrian civil war.

    Syrian Revolution 13 years on | Nearly 618,000 persons killed since the onset of the revolution in March 2011
    SOHR documents by names nearly 165,000 civilian deaths
    https://www.syriahr.com/en/328044/


    Syria
    28 February 2023
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230516182116/https://www.globalr2p.org/countries/syria/

    During the conflict Syrian government forces have been bolstered by Russian airstrikes, which commenced in September 2015. Since the start of the conflict at least 580,000 people have been killed, including an estimated 306,887 civilians who died from 1 March 2011 to 31 March 2021, according to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.
     
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    I admit I'm not up on this issue. I hadn't been following it and suddenly I was seeing headlines about the rebels taking over the capital. I've got to read up on it. In the meantime, what do you think of the two articles in this post?
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-presence-fades.623542/page-8#post-1075137990

    I sounds to me that the mainstream press is calling it a civil war but it's really a US proxy war. I'm only speculating mind you but that does fit the pattern.
     
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    I'm sure the Syrian people would disagree.
     
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    ...I get your thinking but I'd doubt very much that the US would want to just march into the area right now. I'd imagine there just isn't the diplomatic architecture or civil infrastructure in place at this time that would allow them do that in a secure manner....I'm not sure what the legal basis would be either......I suppose that maybe they could obtain some form of UN mandate and use that as a pretext....who knows....anyway I'm not sure in the current state of flux who controls what and what the boundaries of control are and how stable any of it actually is right now!!?? I would imagine the US would not want to go in and find out that their sponsor has just collapsed and now they're dealing with some whole new unstable group who are openly hostile to a US presence.....I'd imagine Turkey has as good an overview as most at the moment since it was their actor doing most of the kicking out work....but I can imagine there's a crap fest of positioning and power broking taking place right now...
     
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    yeah...who knows....could be the easter bunny for all the jockeying that'll be going on....sit back and enjoy the show.....
     
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    It's a textbook example of a civil war. It begun with Syrian people demanding the president step down, and it escalated to protest, then government crackdown, and then formation of rebel groups (joined by many Syrian army troops) and then full blown civil war. US did help some of the rebels, since ISIS established a foothold in middle of all the chaos, and it was necessary to help some rebel groups fight them too, - and US provided air power as well.

    The rebels beating Assad doesn't mean US controls anything there, other than few small bases near the Iraqi border. No one knows what the new rulers will be like, and I would not be surprised if reject both US and Russia.
     
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    ‘Big loser’ Iran runs out of options after Assad regime collapse in Syria


    Interesting thoughts here. Will Iran build the bomb?
     
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    Looki here -- what is this I see .. a valid rational assessment on the board I agree .. US appears to be a bit on the outside looking in .. rather than leading the charge as was the case in 2011 .. albeit in conjunction with 30 other nations in coalition of the willing.
    Turkey is in Charge .. the HTS Soldiers came from Idlib where they have been living and thriving in the Turkish protected zone since the end of the Syrian War in 2018 .. this zone right next to the US protected zone.
     
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    No .. that is a textbook example of propaganda though :) The war in Syria was not a "civil war" .. it was an Islamist Jihadist Insurgency .. foreign fighters flooding in by the tens of thousands from other parts of the world .. to support the Sectarian Salafi nut jobs that had taken over the protest movement by mid 2011.
     
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    Yup . same fanatics .. the leader has a 10 million dollar bounty on his head . was chief head chopper .. the one who established Al Qaeda/ Al Nusra in Syria .. then when the Islamic State formed was a chief Deputy of Leader Baghdadi ...

    Heard on the grey zone they stoned 3 women in public in for adultery in Allepo .. mind you that was in the early excitement .. kind of like when the cannibals would bite off small pieces of the poor fellow walking to the cooking pot .. in Captain Cook Epics.

    But your right .. this fellow .. and all his followers... .. 10 million dollar bounty on his head last week.. has turned in his Islamist badge .. he and all followers are no longer Islamist .. turned their back on Mother El Saud ..

    I don't get it Gilos ... you been around the block more times than to not know know that the girl you just paid to get with you is not your girlfriend. and what part of it is commanded by God to deceive .. by blending in with the infidel .. eating drinking and doing what they do .. did you not understand and/or realize ? These are not stupid idiots we are dealing with .. they have been biding their time .. .. many of them in prison for years in between the end of the Syrian war in 2018 and 2024 .. "life in the protected zone" .. then trained up and Weaponed up by Turkey to do proxy bidding. same is true for the other groups that were active across Syria .. .. the "Moderate Rebel Lie" is alive and well ..the difference being is that they readily admit the old lie was false .. but we are supposed to believe the new version.

    Propaganda much Gilos ? Islamist Propaganda :)
     
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    Meanwhile, this is what Moscow propgandists want us all to be distracted from with this silly talk of "fanatics" and "head choppers":

    Hunt for missing Syrians continues after rebels captured notorious "human slaughterhouse" prison
    From CNN’s Raja Razek and Lucas Lilieholm
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    An aerial view of Saydnaya military prison, Syria, on December 9.
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    A desperate search for missing Syrians goes on after rebel forces released prisoners from the notorious Saydnaya Military Prison outside Damascus, dubbed the “human slaughterhouse” by Amnesty International.

    The Syrian Civil Defense, also known as the White Helmets, said in a statement Monday that they had deployed five specialized teams to look for secret cells or hidden basement rooms that might be holding additional prisoners.

    Discussion has swirled online about the possibility of thousands of additional detainees being held in deeper levels of the facility. Those hopes were bolstered by a Facebook post from the Damascus Countryside governorate appealing for prison workers to provide door codes to reach additional inaccessible locations.

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    Teams continue to investigate allegations of a secret compartment in Sadnaya military prison on December 9.
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    However, a Monday statement from the Association of Detainees & The Missing in Seydnayah Prison (ADMSP) called those claims “inaccurate” and said all prisoners had been released by midday Sunday.

    Mounir Al-Fakir, a former Saydnaya detainee and a founding partner at ADMSP, told CNN that the facility contains one underground level of cells, but he does not believe it likely that there are hidden layers below that.

    Al-Fakir said that when rebels captured the prison over the weekend they saw people on security cameras in cells they couldn’t initially access as they were behind reinforced doors. They were freed after the necessary equipment had arrived, he said. Al-Fakir estimated that about 3,000 detainees were released.

    The White Helmets said on Monday they were continuing to search for additional detention areas, without success so far.​

    Live updates: https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/syria-war-rebels-assad-israel-12-09-24/index.html
     
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    Orcs are apparently burning secret documents on the Tartus base....while they can.

    Rebels now control the coast and entranceway.
     
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    Putin's withdrawal underway as Russia set to lose bases to Syrian rebels
     
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    Putin faces Russia’s fury after ‘extraordinary humiliation’ of fall of Assad


    Perhaps Bloodymir will be next?
     
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    What's your source?

    What did you think of the two articles in this post?
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-presence-fades.623542/page-8#post-1075137990
     
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    I don't know much about it at all much less have a time line. I know mainstream sources generally give an upside-down version of what's happening. That's why I want to know what your source is.
     
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    How do you know it's upside down, if you know nothing about it?

    Google "timeline of Syrian civil war" and pick any source you want. I do not know what you mean by "mainstream sources".

    You like Britannica?
    Syrian Civil War
    https://www.britannica.com/event/Syrian-Civil-War
     
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    That's mainstream but I'll check it out but first I'm going to watch this video.

    Brighteon Broadcast News, Dec 9, 2024 – SYRIA FALLS to western-run proxy forces, inflicting deep strategic blow to Iran, Hezbollah and Russia
    https://www.brighteon.com/871f3a2f-1e3b-4712-a5be-5d7690c062ae


    I wasn't citing the Syrian issue. I mean the mainstream narrative is usually very different from what's actually happening and why it's happening when it analyses any important event. That's why I don't expect objectivity from anything mainstream about the Syrian issue.

    What do you think of those two articles?
     
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    Who knows? They might even prefer to stay where they are if they're treated well. The weather will be nicer this time of year and it sure as hell beats living (and probably dying) in a trench somewhere in Ukraine during the middle of winter. :wink:

    BTW the last shipments of Russian gas to western Europe end this month. Hungary and I think it was Slovenia?? are apparently now linked up to the EU's gas distribution networks and can source gas elsewhere. In any event those sales represented about only about 9% of what Russia was shipping to western Europe prior to invading Ukraine. Even if the war ends on day one of Trumps Presidency? Those sales are never coming back at least not to anywhere near the level they were prior to that unless Russia offers gas at a steep discount. Even then? The trust is broken, Putin saw to that. Customers need certainty of supply so EU member nations will never again rely on exports of Russian gas to the extent they did before the war - they'll keep contracts going with other suppliers no matter what deal Russia offers in the future. Gazprom is now technically insolvent and Putin? He's literally killed his golden goose.
     
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    No, Britannica is pretty much the opposite of mainstream.

    Brighteon........ LOL. That's a known conspiracy outlet, and classified as "tinfoil hat" and considered one of the most discredited sources on the internet. So, no, what they say is not what is "actually happening", it's what they fabricated.
     
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    He distrusts encyclopedias? WFT! I suppose dictionary's are suspect as well? :roll:
     

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