rejection of climate change theory closely linked to conspiracy ideation

With the taxes they pay, no wonder they're poor.

Considering the prices that illegal drug addicts pay for their drugs of choice, what makes you think that taxing cigarettes to $16.00 a pack will help them quit? It won't, it'll just keep them in poverty. And the fact that France and Germany have more smokers than the US, despite higher taxes and stricter regulations, shows that excessive taxation and regulation doesn't help the problem.

 

well, they are still better off than poor americans, and they don't HAVE to smoke. addicts can get assistance to get off their drug of choice. patches are listed on the pharmaceutical benefits scheme.

 

And given out free for asking!! We will provide free patches to anyone coming into hospital along with free update on vaccinations, free medical care whilst in hospital, free.....................

 

Not free, just paid for by someone else.

Patches aren't necessary for quitting smoking, they just provide more of the drug (nicotine) which they are trying to get off of in the first place. Going cold turkey is just as effective, because nicotine withdrawal isn't lethal.

 

Not only that, if you go cold turkey you are over the addition to nicotine in 3 days. It is the habitual behavior that is hard to break.

 

yep.

but you have to factor in that those patches cost the australian taxpayer far less than smoking does:


http://www.quit.org.au/resource-centre/fact-sheets/tobacco-fact-sheets/social-costs

smoking addiction has both physical and psychological dimensions ...

in addition, a lot of the harm caused by smoking relates to other toxins within cigarettes, and the effects of smoke inhalation.

 

That an free market proponent possessing conspiracy theory attitude is a intuitive assessment, its just common sense. Of course when the deck is stacked against someone they are rather stupid if they do not ever catch on! Losing more than a hundred hands of poker in a row is NOT a simple run of bad luck! LoL! Even if Liberal spread the wealth types think so! I say the anti AGW proponents are simply using their god given common sense to be a raving non trusting manaic! As for AGW or anthropogenic global warming, a fancy name for man caused global warming, I have softened my views. I now at least say its possible man contributes to GW, but I remain convinced its not probable paradigm.

* http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/page.php?8

The reason so many liberals latch on to the idea of Anthropogenic global warming is because they are undereducated, well in that subject. AGW to the undereducated seems to be a given. That man causes global warming is comparable to many aspects of quantum theory. The speculation seem so intuitive! Nevertheless such ideas are nearly always incorrect both in QM and (non) free trade and man caused climate change. As for capitalist being paranoid or the conspiracy type, I do not blame them even though I am not a capitalist by nature. When climate data is mishandled, fabricated and lies are told in the popular and even in PEER reviewed articles that alone would indicate a hidden agenda. There are other reasons to suspect an anti capitalist/free trade agenda, but I will not cover them here only to say that their is something going on in the world market. China and other countries gleefully build coal fired plants and produce product that the USA can not hope to compete with little government help, its a hint baby...

* http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/page.php?8.

Go ahead, call me paranoid, I call it healthy paranoia all the way from the bank*~ Our country is being destroyed by liberal socialists and by the horrific debt that another socialist type has bestowed to us as a HOPEFULLY parting gift. Give me a greedy capitalist any day over a socialist redistribute the wealth dummy.

* the same bank that I have $5.68 in my checking account. Ten years ago I had $22,000 bucks in my checking account the bank...believe if or not. Of course I have a checking account with a almost seven bucks in it...lol....just kidding. Banks are not a secure place for my money.

reva

 

actually ... if you look at education levels .. its conservatives who are more likely to be "undereducated".

especially in that subject.

yep ... another example of the link between AGW denial and conspiracy ideation.

 

Have you seen a typical knee jerk reaction that employs dated incorrect data? .... WAIT...found one! (see above)

I would rather do a bit of basic research before inserting foot in mouth. Anyway your knee-jerk reaction is debatable. I think everyone will agree that the tea party members are not exactly Sean Penn liberal eh? They are conservative for the most part, so hence the post and links. (see notes at bottom of page)

Nope disagree (again, see notes and poll results) If you have a source please post it ? I spin heavily conservative when it comes to my feelings about many subjects, but would get burned at the stake for my liberal views on other subjects. So I don’t know which if either I should label myself. I agree that in many cases liberals seem to be better educated etc. I would like to see a large sample population from all areas of the country even the world (two studies one USA and the other the globe) if possible.

I do not see too much wrong with being suspicious of someone telling me that a bird that walks quacks and looks like a duck is really an T-rex. However I do understand the AGW proponents concern. They fear GOP types in arrogant denial are going to ruin the world for humans.....hmmm', is that so bad? Especially if evolution is not just a theory? Maybe the next go around the world will be populated by trillions of clones of Harry Reids and the only newspaper will be the Huffin' Post and ...and...Noooo! its too horrible to contemplate !

lol

Notes; Tea Party supporters tend to unite around fiscal conservatism and a belief that the federal government has overstepped its constitutional powers.topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/.../subjects/.../tea_party.../index.html - Cached - Similar Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than ......tend to be Republican, white, male and married, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll

Tea Party movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement - Cached - Similar
... to show that Tea Party supporters are mainly white and ... more conservative
than the general population, and ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

sorry for the butchered link site paragraphs just check them out for yer' selves~ Gotta go~


reva

 

I agree.

your research is basic.

you may need a tutorial in how to use google.

education and acceptance of climate change - this is interesting: http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/25/idUS379522395220101025

 

ROTFLMAO...so you really really can't see the similarities of liberals trying to control others (make them quit smoking, stop drinking soda, stop driving big trucks, etc) 'for their own good'...and religious people trying to control others (quit sleeping around, don't go to bars, etc) 'for their own good'??

the only difference I see between the two of you is that you would require everyone to abide by your 'morals' with laws and the religious (note I don't say conservatives, they're not the same) only require those that choose to follow their religion to abide by their 'morals'.

 

no one is forced to work anywhere. If someone objects to smoking, they can choose not to work in a restaurant that allows smoking...again...PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...

hilarious how the libs think ten year olds can make their own decisions regarding sex but think grown adults can't figure out how to avoid cigarrette smoke..

another childish snarky response..you know if you can't think of a rebuttal, you can just ignore the part of the post that you are stumped by

 

and yet, you with all of your education and wealth and mental health was, by your own admission, tempted to start smoking just because of the cheapness and availability of the product. No wonder you want government to protect you, if you are so easily led astray...but just because you are weak doesn't mean everyone else is. They could be passing them out free at school (you know, like they do with condoms) and I still wouldn't smoke one.

Stop projecting onto others, the failings you see in yourself.

 

which is why we have such an illegal alien problem, isn't it? the poor quality of life here...

please, tell everyone you know how bad it is here, we're full!

 

if you knew google so well, you would have found the actual study and not some report of a report...

nevertheless...

1) those in the 18-to-29 age bracket overwhelmingly stated that climate change is happening now and is caused mainly by human activities. That belief lessens with age,

well of COURSE the younger people would believe more in AGW; they've grown up with Al Gore and the constant 'Green Earth' propaganda...whereas the older people remember not so long ago, the whole 'the earth is cooling! an ice age is coming' hysteria of the seventies. In addition, older people have had the experience of seeing scientist come out and change their findings as new information comes out and new methods are developed. Older people are less likely to be easily swayed by the latest fads or to jump into a cause simply to be one of the 'in' crowd.

2) 62 percent of the respondents with an education beyond a bachelor’s degree said that human-caused climate change is happening now

again, a 'no duh' moment...(I really should be a pollist, this stuff is just so blisterly obvious)....of course people that have gone to the very liberal universities, where they have been indoctrinated in the whole liberal philosophy of life will believe what they have been taught. good grief, we pay these people? A more interesting breakdown IMO would be how many of those that have a college degree in a actual real world field (engineering, medical, etc ) vs how many have a liberal arts degree believe in AGW..

3) When the Clean Air Act became law in 1970 and the country united to tackle depletion of the ozone layer, the idea of deploying the environment as a wedge issue didn’t exist, Lawrence pointed out

HERE is where I would like to see some conversation...maybe if the libs would think on this one a bit, we could have some progress....WHY is it that the environment is suddenly a wedge issue?

 

It would be interesting to know the 'quantity' of cigarettes consumed in each area. Just like the price of fuel in the US compared with the UK for example, huge difference in prices, but also a huge difference in miles driven per capita...

 

It takes an elementary education to understand that plants take in CO2 and give off 02.

With a little logic one could come to the conclusion that when you deforest the world you are depleating the natural factories that produce 02.

And when you burn CO2 in the form of coal and oil that has been locked up for millions of years it may affect the balance of nature.

And if you think that the University one goes to... or the subject studied... has anything to do with a belief in MMGW you just prove the OP correct.

 

Getting a paper published in a psychology or sociology journal is no where near as rigorous as getting a paper published in a physics, mathematics, chemistry, or biology journal. All you need is surveys, anecdotes, testimonials, and bad reasoning to get something published in psychology or sociology journal. There is no foundations, laws, mathematical reasoning, solid assumptions, derivations, or experimental evidence when dealing with large groups of people.

 

Actually not true and although some of the humanities based sciences do use qualitative research that in and of itself has rules benchmarks. So you REALLY do not want me to go there with some fairly recent scandals involving published physics papers that turned out to be based on fraud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schön_scandal

 

As Cass implied there are a lot of other factors besides price that influenced Australian society - what the legislation did was make it socially unacceptable to smoke

 

the arguments proferred are not about "morality".

 

this may be your opinion, but the evidence is to the contrary.

 

lols ... that really is clutching at straws! It wasn't an admission at all!

THere is STRONG evidence that price signals influence smoking rates. High taxes on cigarettes can be used to pay for the health costs associated with smoking, however prevention is better than cure - lower smoking rates would have better outcomes.

 

can you show me where I have stated ten year olds should make their own decisions regarding sex?

 

If you are trying to convince me how great life is in the US, I am not so sure that illegal aliens from Mexico are such a great advertisement. Its not about what they are going to, but what they are going from.