Religious belief = pure lunacy.

Sophistry at its highest level. So why do SO (*)(*)(*)(*) many people believe? Is the average person that addle-minded? That gullible? That easily persuaded? I just don't get it.

And I wouldn't have a problem with it if "the faithful" could just mind their own GD business--but OH NO, they have to shove their beliefs down my throat, and even abuse their power as citizens to legislate their morals into my life. Hey, if you don't mind, leave me the (*)(*)(*)(*) alone.

Thank you.

 

And they'll all argue that their version is the right one.

 

Hell yes. To the point of flying airplanes into buildings... and murdering physicians.

 

Please don't feed the trolls

 

For someone who wants to be left alone, you sure tried awfully hard to bring attention onto yourself.

Whether or not you believe in a diety, the ideal of "god given" rights, and morality stemming from Judeo/Christian beliefs, is a good and healthy thing for people and for society.

If not for inalienable rights, then your rights are subject to the whims of people in power. We already suffer their infringements, even with our founding documents...imagine if we remove "our creator" from the equation.

 

If you disagree with my position, perhaps you could construct a logical refutation rather than simply dismiss my opinion out of hand.

 

You do understand that this is an anonymous internet message board, the purpose of which is to exchange ideas, yes?

To be clear, I am not referring to a specific brand of religion. And it is certainly possible for rights to be acknowledged and protected in the absence of deities--as they are, regardless of the high-minded rhetoric--granted by men.

They are already subject to those whims.

Indeed, the basic rights that we all take for granted are assaulted daily--and oftentimes by "the faithful" I hasten to add. And again, as rights are granted by men, the deference to a creator is pure folly.

 

Except that it doesn't come from that at all. Science can explain where morality comes from much better than a book written by a bunch of stone age nomads who thought that the world was flat.

 

Hell, you don't even need science--just plain old common sense ought to be enough to persuade most folks that enforcing some code of ethical behavior toward one's fellows is just good business--enlightened self-interest if you wish.

It is not wrong to commit murder, for example, merely because doing so violates a Christian biblical commandment. But half these yahoos would have you believe that if we took "the creator" out of the equation, we'd just be out in the streets wasting our neighbors at random. Preposterous.

 

To say that "this is an anonymous internet message board," is a fallacy. For all that the readers might know, "Bow To The Robots" could conceivably be your real name. But for all intents and purposes, when someone responds to something written by "Bow To The Robots", that response is made to the real person who operates behind the name "Bow To The Robots". Anonymity is not even relevant to the discussion.

 

Wow! Stone age nomads knew how to write with such eloquence?

 

Another religious topic started by a Christian hater. now that's a surprise. The only way this could be more perfect is if you have managed to post a statement of support for muslims. Did you?

 

Sure it is. The poster was thinking he was so clever in pointing out my alleged hypocrisy and trying to derail my argument that he failed to even respond to my OP. His suggestion that I am somehow exposing myself to harm because I claim "I want to be left alone" is a preposterous non sequitur. The whole POINT of participating in this forum is to draw attention to oneself and one's opinions.

 

Amazing what a little opium can do...

 

Yes. Clearly I did. When I referenced "flying airplanes into buildings," I was clearly displaying my hatred of Christianity and my support for Islam simultaneously. Nothing gets by you!

NB: The topic of this thread is religious belief, not Christian belief. Noted that you are the second poster to wrongly assume I am attacking Christianity. Ironically, you actually just strengthened my position--let's see if you can figure out how.

 

No wonder you are hallucinating. The use of opiates can be devastating to ones perception of 'reality'.

 

What troll? He posted a legitimate topic.

 

I was talking to him about the religious people here.

 

I'm sorry, you must have misread me. I am not the one using the opium and writing fantastic tales about the origins of life and omniscient beings creating oceans and rivers out of nothing at all...

 

My spiritual practise has allowed me to have sufficient experiences to know with certainty their is some capacity to foresee events. So I know something is going on with cannot be explained with science. Its not so much religious belief for me, but religious practise.

 

No! But you are the one supporting claims about 'stone age nomads' doing such eloquent writings as were referenced "origins of life and omniscient beings creating oceans and rivers out of nothing at all..."

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The fact Stone Age cavemen didn’t record their history is commonly thought to be a matter of intellectual ineptitude... well, we shall investigate this. Whatever their reasons however, it is perplexing not to know what happened during the Old Stone Age. Except for evidence that cavemen hunted, conducted burials and drew pictures, we know little else of their lifestyle and nothing at all about the human events which occurred."

 

Well I wouldn't shove my beliefs down anyone's throat. If they want my opinon, I would gladly share it.

Why make a thread accusing others of something that you can just ignore? That might be the better choice. Just saying.

 

While you can ignore the laws that these people pass, it does result in you becoming a criminal. Are you suggesting that we break laws?

 

You may like to reread my OP. I can and DO "just ignore it" up to the point which I (and my neighbors) are subject to it through legislation. It is at precisely THAT point at which I can not "just ignore it."

That and the fact that religious belief is nothing more than intellectual bankruptcy. Faith is the antithesis of reason. Therefore I find belifs based merely on faith to be patently silly.

 

It's much, much simpler than that. What Travis Bickle suggests is that morality cannot exist without it being dictated by Judeo/Christian beliefs. Hence, all people not having been in touch with Judeo/Christian beliefs lack morality. Since such people demonstrably don't lack morality, it does not stem from Judeo/Christian beliefs.