Remarkably Low Deaths in the US

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  1. Louisiana75

    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Half of the cases in the US are from NY. There is nothing wrong with stating that.
     
  2. AmericanNationalist

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    The other States will sadly catch up, it might take them some time but they will. Nevertheless, I blame the NY govenor(and Washington/California to an extent.) But giving Newsom some credit, he pulled the trigger faster than the State with about 5 X the cases Cali has!


    If Cumou were active(instead of complaining to the President), we would unquestionably be in a better position. By contrast Florida's governor was like "Yeah, keep that **** to yourselves."
     
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    There is however something wrong with saying, "If you got rid of those numbers, it would look better."
     
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    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That was my way of pointing the problem out in NY, I didn't mean to whipe them off the map.

    Just nevermind, NY is fine everyone, as you were.
     
  5. Louisiana75

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    Why? Many states are under stay at home rule, all non essential businesses closed, schools closed, social distancing, hand washing and sanitizing, etc. most people are at home quarantining with their families at home. So why will we catch up?
     
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    Be wise; Please set aside "We're the best" statements TIL the final report.
     
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    If you take out the people who test positive we'd have the lowest rate in the world.
     
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    Yes, they were exposed sooner than most and have a very high population density. Half the the cases in NY State are in NY City.

    The nature of viruses is that population centers are hit the hardest. If you are sitting alone on a farm you are probably fairly safe. You didn't have the virus spreading like wildfire before anyone knew it was there. And you don't have to manage 10 million people.

    The key number for a head to head comparison is the number of infections per capita. ;) Louisiana is the highest now I think,
     
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  9. Louisiana75

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    Yes, you're the 3rd person to tell me that. I am betting it's due to Mardi Gras, and most cases are clustered in the New Orleans area. I was born and raised in the New Orleans area but have lived in Arkansas for the past 5 years. I live very remote in the ozarks surrounded only by thousands of acres of national forest land. My self isolation is pretty normal.
     
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    Louisiana; First death.....10 days ago, today, 49 deaths

    Perhaps, partially due to obesity??????...….We'll have to wait TIL the final report.
     
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    As far as I know the potus cannot tell people to stay indoors.
     
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    Now is not the time for ignorance, you need to open up your mind and absorb what is actually happening. I'm going to tell you what's happening and you'd be wise to pay attention because I'm not exaggerating, I'm not telling you anything but facts and what you choose to believe may save your life and the life of those you love.

    Starting with New York. Three days ago I picked up my son at LaGuardia airport in New York. He arrived from Colombia, South America and had to change planes in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. It was a frantic week getting a flight and getting him out of there just in the nick of time, the Governor of Colombia shut down all their airports yesterday. So, he made it by two days. When he got to Florida, nobody was using protective equipment. No travelers, no TSA agents, no ticket agents, no baggage people. He was asked by the guard "what's with all this?" -- motioning to the hair cover, face mask and gloves he was wearing. It was like this guard had just dropped from the sky from Mars. So he switched planes and onward to New York. I waited outside the baggage claim for him and watched people just coming from his flight, dragging their bags behind. I'd say that maybe 60% of them had a mask on. The 'port authority' workers had no protective equipment at all.

    My son climbed in the rear compartment of my Subaru. He removed all his clothes, put them in a plastic bag, washed with wet wipes and slathered himself with sanitizer gel. Then he put on clean clothes, put the mask back on and wrapped himself entirely in a blanket for the ride home. As soon as we arrived, he exited the back, went into my house and showered immediately and changed clothes again. He has quarantined himself in a downstairs area, when he has to use the kitchen, we leave the area and he gets food with mask on and gloves, then leaves. He's doing everything possible to prevent any possible infection he may have picked up at the airports from contaminating us. He will remain in his self-quarantine for 15 days.

    New York is the 'canary in the coal mine' right now and in a desperate situation. Governor Cuomo has received information from medical experts in NY that told him they will need 30,000 ventilators. New York isn't even close to the apex of coronavirus yet. He begged the administration for these ventilators to be released from the national stockpile. FEMA announced that they are sending 400 ventilators to NY. What are they going to do with 400 ventilators when they need 30,000? Mike Pence announced that the federal government will send NY ventilators from the national stockpile, 10,000 today and 10,000 tomorrow.

    What's happening in NY is just the beginning. People are moving around now, they're going to Florida to ride this through, they're traveling to suburban America to be with their children or parents, they're actually 'seeding' the rest of the country. In five or six weeks, other communities will be right where NY is today.

    Please take this as seriously as we here in the northeast do. You cannot be too cautious. You cannot walk into any public space without a mask. You cannot come back home without washing your hands and face. Ideally people would wear clear googles, even swim goggles, because this virus can enter through the the eyes. Cover your hair with a cap, it can adhere to air of there are aerosol droplets in the air near someone infected. You won't know who is infected with coronavirus since there are no symptoms for 1-14 days. Imagine how many others could be infected by one person in 14 days?

    I hope I've made a point here with some that are dismissing this as just one of those viruses like the ones that killed 8000 Americans last winter, it is not. This is far worse and we're not even close to seeing the worst of this yet. Once it starts to hit more rural areas whose health care safety nets are sparse and inadequate to begin with, the people in those areas are going to be in real danger of losing their lives.
     
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  13. Louisiana75

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    No, more like Mardi Gras. Tens of thousand of people packed together in the french quarter. I know it was going to be a problem
     
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    Let us give it 3 weeks and see where we are.

    The current Death Rate means NOTHING.

    Get back to me in 3 weeks.
     
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    If every person that happened to become infected with coronavirus at Mardi Gras didn't have symptoms for 1 to 14 days, that means that out of all the people breeding the virus, each of them came in contact with other people in those 14 days, and 3 of those would become infected also, and those 3 multiplied again and each of them infects 3 people. 49 dead so far in one month is just the beginning. People come from all over the country to be in New Orleans at Mardi Gras, then they go back to their own state bringing it with them. This is how an exceptionally virulent and aggressive virus becomes pandemic. It happened in Italy, it happened in Iran, it's happening in Russia and Spain and now it's happening here.
     
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    I'm struggling with the extreme measures to be honest. on a scale of 1-10 I'm probably a 4.

    I thought I was a 6, but your post made me bump it down.
     
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    Then change now, before it's too late. Get into the habit of #1 washing your hands and never touching your face. Find a surgical mask if you can't find a N95 mask, it's better than no mask at all. Above all, stay away from stores and any other places where more than 5 people congregate. Stay a full 6 feet away from anyone in public. You will not regret 'struggling' once it hits your town. We had 2 cases of coronavirus in my county two weeks ago, today it's reported there's been 500. So, it's on the move and it's spreading rapidly.
     
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    Gee, that was pretty unkind to make fun of someone having a stroke....
     
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    Thanks for sharing. I am hoping your son has managed to be careful enough to have not been infected, as has you and your family. New York is in a bad situation right now. You do not want to be coming down with the coronavirus there in the next week or two, when the hospitals start filling up. This is very much an event that will doubtlessly impact the lives of many on this message board. Those not taking precautions now may wish they had in a few weeks.
     
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    The way to understand the mortality rates is to track the increase in new deaths and see what that curve shows over time, as the previous infections either result in recovery or, alternatively, death. The rest of the exercises on the issue are either misguided or simply politicized attempts to use statistics to lie to people.

    In the meantime, on March 18, the number of new deaths reported in the US was 41. The curve was steady around that number for a few days, and then began its exponential rise on March 22 with 111 reported new deaths. The numbers of new deaths have steadily risen since then and the last reported number on this front was 225 or more than 5 times the number on March 18. If the same trend continues, next week, the number of 'new deaths' will be around 1,200, making the US report more new deaths than any other place on the planet by next week and thereafter for a while.

    The rate of increase first, and the increase itself, will eventually stop based on the success of the social distancing measures that, in the meantime, reduce the actual infection rates and exposure of people to the virus. The figures on how many people are reported as testing positive (once the protocol for testing is made more constant and less variable) becomes important mainly to give you a sense of when the curve is beginning to flatten and not to be used/misused to come up with a misleading snap shot on mortality rates in the US.
     
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    Is this appears an attempt to troll your own thread?
     
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    But as long as NY is part of USA, you can’t take it out.
     
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    Is that all going to end at Easter like trump wants? If so, all other states will catch up. Wait until 2 weeks after spring break. Cases will likely rise.
     
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    He closed travel to and from China right away, where as Obama never closed travel nor the border with Mexico the country of origin for the H1N1 Swine Flu.........12,000 Americans died.
     
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    How many times do we here the Republicans daily talk about "closing the border with Mexico"?

    Enormous numbers of trucks and supplies cross that border every day! Those truckers load and unload cargo, repair the trucks, eat, buy gas and munchies, sleep in motels, have sex with girlfriends and hookers, deal with state ports in state after state as they drive.

    100s of thousands of people cross that border every day! People who own and operate businesses, homes, families. People who fix and repair equipment on both sides of the border come back and forth daily.

    This commerce is enormous. The time and money to inspect more than a fraction of the people and cargo and cars is impossible.

    This president and his pseudo-conservatives who prattle on their racist and ignorant ideas to MAGA is GAG again with the wasteful and impossible pronouncements they throw around!

    The exchange of jobs, products, food, and entertainment across this border is very valuable and productive. To double and triple or more costs and delay to do some of these schemes the Trumpies demand is just clueless.
     

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