Report: U.S. Sanctions Have Killed 40,000 in Venezuela Since 2017

You should probably follow your own advice.

Again, he wasn't talking about overthrowing tyranny, he was talking about "security" in general. It says it right there in the second amendment. Try reading it.

Again, nobody is advocating for or talking about revolution except you. His argument concerns the "security" of a free state as it pertains to the "common defense".

Under the constitution, which you clearly do not care about, militias are an important part of providing for the common defense. That's all he's saying. Yet for some reason you keep trying to make it about an armed revolution.

The same way the insurgencies in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan did - with unconventional warfare.

But that is besides the point. We're not talking about a revolution, we're talking about security in the context of the common defense.

If the American people actually wanted to get rid of them, they'd be gone. The biggest reason why they're still in power is because the US government doesn't have the support of the American people as a whole. Most Americans do not care one bit about who is presides in Venezuela. Most Americans probably could not locate Venezuela on a map.

No, I don't. You're the one who is confused.

I have no idea why you think that statement is relevant.

 

Taxation is not voluntary.

And no "freeman" would task someone else with protecting his rights.

 

They didn't diversify the economy. The government was oil for handouts to countries like Haiti and others. When oil prices dropped and the US started messing with their finances their economic problems began. Maduro's mismanagement and government corruption made it worse. Then came the sanctions in 2017.

But yeah. How dare they use their country's resources to benefit their people. Had the government subsidized Big Business, eliminated regulations, and opened up the country to foreign exploitation, you wouldn't be saying anything.

I told yall. They view economic hardship as a moral failing.

 

No, it's not.

The US government is not America, just as a single scene is not a movie.

Someone can hate a scene in a movie without hating the movie.

Similarly, someone can hate the US government without hating America.

It's basic logic really.

It was the citizens of Venezuela who elected Maduro. So according to your logic, hating Maduro is the same as hating Venezuela.

Boy, you've gotten yourself into quite the logical pickle.

By the way, about 80% of the country did not vote for Trump. The US government does not even come close to representing America as a whole.

That makes no sense at all, but I can understand why you want to believe it.

 

FDR stayed in office until he died and he's considered an American hero.

 

Your views on trade are fundamentally no different than how a state socialist views trade.

You and Maduro have more in common than you think.

 

They call themselves "conservative", but they're actually descendants of the "progressive" movement as represented by Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson.

 

What's to understand?

Only about 20% of the country actually voted for Trump.

Clearly, Trump does not even come close to representing the entire country. So unless you think the constitution can alter reality, I'm not sure what your argument is supposed to be.

 

Voluntary means one is free not to donate?

 

Still waiting for the fake conservatives to explain why it's okay for the US to socialize and redistribute wealth under the aegis of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, but it's not okay for Venezuela to socialize and redistribute wealth under the aegis of nationalizing their oil supply.

 

I think you'll be waiting for quite a long time...

 

He'll try to argue that merely existing within the "territory" of the "United States" is tantamount to consent. He'll probably say something like, "If you don't like it, then leave."

 

Why would I wish to leave my home?

 

Your home belongs to the state, citizen. Obey or die!

 

And that's where they can never explain how some people have the right to forcibly take the property of their fellow man.

 

Well, you see. The government is the people, and the people are the government. So if someone's property is being taken by the government, then it's the people taking their own property. Unless it's in Venezuela. Then the government is not the people, and everything the government does is socialist tyranny. Do you understand now?

 

Hey? Isn't that the free market, capitalism? The best products at the best prices receives the most dollars (votes)? And you think socialism is...democratic? Why on earth?

 

To the degree America is socialist, the more her citizens’ liberties are smothered; to the the degree she is capitalist, the more her citizens prosper.

I’d like to a have lot less smothering and a lot more prospering.

 

Nope. Strong military, creative minds, productive citizens, no poor, capitalism. Try it, you’ll like it. All it takes is living free to do your best for that which you love by your own effort. You know, “...life,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, the abandon ideal.

 

And yet you are not trying to overthrow the US government despite its socialist programs.

Perhaps you should consider extending the same courtesy to the government in Venezuela.

 

Socialism is workers control over production. Democracy in both the political and economic spheres. You're referring to State Capitalism. When the state controls the means of production. Capitalist corporations are totalitarian institutions. And there is no free market in the United States. The major industries are state subsidized.

 

Hmmm. Even If it's cynical, it’s still a valid observation.

 

If I was truly free, then I would not have to pay taxes in order to fund your idea of a "strong" military.

 

Free markets and capitalism are related but distinct concepts. Many make the mistake of treating them interchangeably.

 

LOL, left wing socialism has nothing to do with Venezuela's problems. Liberal logic 101.