Republicans Can End The Government Shutdown Today

According to some news sources including NBC and CNN, the Republicans have enough votes to end the government shutdown today. They only need 17 Republican votes and as of now, they have about 20 Republicans who are saying that they will vote to end this chaos. So why aren't they doing it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/clean-funding-bill_n_4031784.html

 

obama can end the shutdown today too.....

 

So could Democrats, but we wouldn't expect Obama's lapdogs at HuffPo to point out that inconvenient fact.

See ya on Day 10 of the shutdown. Maybe the petulant children in the Democratic Party will grow up by Day 17, but I'm not seeing any signs of maturity out of them yet...

 

John Boehner told George Stephanopoulos that the Republicans didn't have enough votes. Obviously that isn't true.

 

Really? Have they voted?

Im not sure you know what "obviously" means.

 

Still not seeing a problem with the shut down, why bother ending it? If we can survive months on end of this, we should realize that we can drastically reduce the size of government and decrease taxes on the citizens. That would be a win/win...

 

Why bother ending it? Every single government worker who has been furloughed will be paid when this is over. They may even receive some additional pay on top of that. So basically the government is LOSING money.

 

So as a tax payer it really IS in my interest to never let this end so those maggots can't collect for doing nothing...

 

Sure its true.

 

And, Reid........

 

Indeed.

Someone just posted a poll that said 80% of Americans aren't feeling any pain from the shutdown, too.

It looks like no one's going to be paying much attention to the Little Progressives Who Cried Wolf, either.

This could end up being a bigger Win than anyone ever expected. I suspect this has already crossed Boehner's mind, too...

 

At a meeting the other day, some top management started chatting about the shutdown and announced, "When will the govt pay for all our vacations since we're paying for theirs?' We had a good laugh. If private industry was allowed to function like the govt, we all wouldn't have jobs. Its so frackin pathetic.

 

Or the petulant children of the Republican Party will grow up by Day 17, but I am not seeing any signs of maturity out of them yet.

Just pointing out the obvious.

While it is easy to be partisan- and most certainly I am- either the Democrats or the Republicans could end this today.

What the OP is pointing out is that mature Republicans could choose to side with Democrats in the House and vote for the clean CR that the Senate returned to the House, but that Boehner refuses to put up for a vote.

 

So one of the Republican options presented to the Senate actually funds 'Obama Care'. What is different from the Democrat plan is that it removes the Congressional exemptions to the lovely bill. Remind me again why this is bad? We as citizens should never have to tolerate laws that only apply to us 'serfs', and not to our legislature. Even if there is the most minor thing wrong with this law, it will never get fixed, because it doesn't affect Congress.

I hope the next Republican bill that comes to the floor sets up the mandate for only government employees first for the next 4 years or so. Then they can fix all of the problems before the rest of us go on it. Public service is something our government has conveniently forgotten. You should not surrender on this as a value regardless of any party loyalties.

 

Exactly but you are talking about a guy who is chums with Bill Ayers a noted nail bomb terrorist. Who here was dumb enough to ever believe Obama has even one molecule of integrity. He wants the country to feel pain. That's how he rolls. He had the perfect opportunity to bring the country together and HE decided to drive the wedge and divide us even further. He will go down in history as the worst President our nation has ever had.

 

Actually in this case government does function like private business. If a private business went to the bank and said "So these are the things I need to pay the bank for eh? I'm not going to pay any of it at all!" I'm pretty sure the private business would be shut down too.

 

The reason you aren't seeing it directly is because most people think that the Tea Party isn't really crazy enough to continue with their crazy extortion and will cave, before too much damage is down. The markets are "only" down about 5% so far because they don't really think the Tea Party Republicans are really stupid enough to set off the nukes.

But you can be sure that the Republicans know they are damaging the country. They've told us over and over that uncertainty is one of the biggest harms to the economy. You may not see it or feel it right away, but they know they are damaging the country, and they are doing it intentionally.

The problem is that they are playing with dynamite. No one can predict what will happen with the economy, and danger is that major negative consequences can happen with far reaching effects that cannot be foreseen, and cannot be undone. A loss of global confidence in the dollar or US debt would have a big impact on interest rates the US Govt charges on its debt, and with $17 trillion in debt, that can have a huge, huge consequence on the interest the Govt has to pay, and thus the taxes it has to raise.

Will something like that happen? Who knows?

But it is the height of irresponsibility to take unnecessarily that kind of risk and create that kind of damaging uncertainty, especially to extort a political demand that they cannot achieve by legitimate means.

I very much doubt that the founders intended this country to be run by extortion, by the use of threat to harm and damage our own country. I suspect they would have thought that behavior to be treasonous.

 

Aye, and so could the Tea Party.

But only one side is using the threat of knowingly and intentionally damaging our country to extort political demands they cannot achieve by legitimate means.

So should we expect our political leaders to cave into extortion of the other side threatening to damage our country? Is that the way you really want the Govt to run?

If it was Obama and the Dems threatening to damage our country by not signing a budget or CR unless the House agreed to a 10% sur-tax on the 1%, would you say that is a legitimate act on their part? Would you be saying that the Tea Party could end the shut down by giving in to that kind of extortion too? Or would you be outraged that the Dems were holdiong our own country hostage, knowingly and intentionally damaging our country to extort political demands that they could not achieve by legitimate means?

Think about it.

Just because you agree with terrorists' political agenda doesn't mean you should support acts of terrorism.

 

You want the federal govt to pay 75% of the premiums for Everyone?

 

It is not Obama who is holding up the budget for political demands that he could not achieve by legitimate means. It is the Tea Party that is knowingly and intentionally damaging our country to extort political demands they cannot achieve by legitimate means.

Real Americans should be appalled at this behavior, not supporting it.

 

You do realize that the employees working through the shut down, aren't getting paid either, right?

The only government employees getting paid are active duty personnel.

 

Republicans are doing the equivalent of taking the keys away from their drunk of his butt friend. The drunk sees it as being wrong and wants to drive down the road because he think he is fine (that's you libs in case you didn't know) The rest of us are trying to keep people from being hurt (generations to come as well as the present). The drunk doesn't see that he is wrong because he is drunk. You will thank us tomorrow when you sober up. Now give us the keys or we will take them from you. Enough is enough.

 

Putting aside the accuracy of our contention, what is bad about it is that Obamacare is a law that was legitimately passed by a majority of the House, over 60% of the Senate, and signed into law by the President. As provided for in the Constitution. And upheld by a conservative Supreme Court.

What the Tea Party is doing is intentionally damaging our country to extort a change in that law when they cannot achieve their objective by legitimate means.

If the Tea Party doesn't like the law, they can have themselves elected a majority and win the WH and then change it. That is the Constitutional way of passing law. Or they can offer something in compromise to the Dems that they would agree to change.

But instead they are using extortion and knowingly and intentionally harming our country to achieve something they cannot do by legitimate means.

That is what is wrong with it.

 

Think so? I'm sure there would be enough Republicans to oppose him on that, too.

 

Republicans voted for the back pay thangy. I believe it was almost unanimous. They are playing games with your head.