Restaurant Workers Lose Their Jobs Over Newsom’s $20 Minimum Wage

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  1. AFM

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    That wealth has been earned.
     
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    My wife has a grandson in Canada, who did the same thing... But just three years, then worked for a company a bit longer. Now owns his own HVAC business, started one years ago. Is running three trucks and overloaded with work, looking for help. You do have to have something to sell to make money; skill, honesty and performance are the keys. If you don't have it, back up and acquire it. That's what apprenticeship provide.
     
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    Do you know about the law that requires employees to deliver the level of service they are paid for to their employees? No, you don't because there isn't any.
    If you find an employee comes in, clocks in, then leaves, returns to clock out.... Or you find they hide and sleep all day and do nothing, you can fire them. BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY THEM-
    AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL BACK THEM UP.

    If you go into business for yourself- NOBODY has your back. And if you fail- you are the last person to get anything, if anything is left.

    But of course, it's so easy.... So I recommend that if you feel it's unfair that business make people rich- why aren't you in business?
    Quit complaining about other people's success. Hock all you have, go for it. Get rich in a year or so. Nothing to it.
     
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    Your response reads as if you are accepting wage theft and laws that promote wealth redistribution from the poor and the middle class to the richest of the rich. Again. wealth not earned.
     
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    Spoken like a true Marxist.
     
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    Only Marxists and their kissing cousins, Republicons, promote the value of the supply-side of the economy over the demand side of the economy. The US has a consumer-driven economy, something that supply-side socialists such as yourself fail to understand.
     
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    That's hilarious. Production always precedes consumption. There the economy - there is no supply side of the economy. And there is no demand side of the economy. There is only the supply-demand curve. Reducing the government imposed increases in the cost of production results in lower prices and more employment. ECON 101.
     
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    Theoretically, a higher minimum wage is a good thing that could ease the cost of living for more Americans. However, the practical application of raising the minimum wage is causing job loss and higher prices in states like California.
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    For instance, fast food workers in California have been getting laid off due to the state’s new $20 minimum wage law, which is specifically designed for fast food employees. In conjunction is the Fast Act, which expands the definition of ‘fast food restaurant’ to any chain with 60 or more locations in the US. These companies must comply with the new laws, resulting in negative consequences for some employees.

    Starbucks, known for its employee-friendly compensation and perks like healthcare, 401(k), tuition coverage, paid time off and more, closed several of its California locations. Pizza Hut and Excalibur Pizza eliminated numerous delivery jobs in California, citing “rising operating costs” as the reason. Chipotle has reported an upcoming increase in its food prices due to the new law, and some franchises have completely discontinued operations.
    Fast Food Workers Are Getting Laid Off: How Minimum Wage Laws Affect You and Your Wallet (msn.com)
    There you have it. the $20.00 an hour is much of a great idea for some reason.
     
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    The economic “know- nothings” aka progressives strike again causing harm to those that they profess to be helping.
     
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    But if you think being in business or investing and such is the path to riches, why don't you jump in?

    Wage theft- NO. No such thing. If an employer doesn't pay wages due, the department of labor will step in. If a company goes bankrupt owing wages- the wages get paid ahead of any other debts such as materials, services, rents, etc. However- employees steal from employers all the time. They steal time, they steal benefits, they take materials, tools, goods out the door. In accounting terms, this is often called "shrinkage", it includes shoplifting and mysterious disappearance of property.

    Sorry to say- you're echoing a narrative, but don't know what you are talking about.
     
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    This is where you go wrong. It's NOT up to the business to provide enough to live off of. There's a huge population that can benefit from a job that doesn't pay enough to live off of.
    If you need to make enough to support a household by yourself there's a slew of jobs that won't fit the bill. And that's the way it should be. It's the way it needs to be.
     
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    You are the one who is blah, blahing without understanding of basic economic principles.
    Wage theft is a serious crime, one of the most common forms of crime in this country.
    Employers steal billions from workers’ paychecks each year survey data show millions of workers are paid less than the minimum wage, at significant cost to taxpayers and state economies
    https://www.epi.org/publication/employers-steal-billions-from-workers-paychecks-each-year/
     
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    What do you call wage theft.... Not being paid as much as you think you are worth?

    Employment is a voluntary agreement. The employee ASKED for the job, AGREED to the wage. If you don't like the pay, why would you take the job?
    Leave; go find someone who agrees with what you think you are worth. If you can't find one who does- maybe you aren't worth what you think, and need to adjust your opinion of yourself.
     
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    LOL how are they keeping wages artificially low?
     
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    You would fit right in in Red China.
     
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    No, that would be Beijing Donnie Trump. Like his communist buddies, Xi Jinping and Kim Jong Un, Beijing Donnie doesn't understand the importance of demand in a thriving economy.
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    The Chinese account is controlled by Trump International Hotels Management L.L.C., which the tax records show paid $188,561 in taxes in China while pursuing licensing deals there from 2013 to 2015.
     
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    Economic demand is funded by production. Production always precedes consumption. QED.
     
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    I disagree

    If someone works full time they should be able to afford a minimum standard of living.

    With your chosen option we have the government and taxpayers basically giving that company a subsidy as we are having to make up the slack.

    That many of these companies can somehow seem to be able to afford billions in stock buybacks or large executive compensation packages while the employees are being subsidized by the government shows how faulty this system is.
     
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    WHY should I have to subsidize an employer ? If the employer cant pay a living wage, he shouldn’t be in business…
     
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    Why do you deny any person the right to negotiate their wages.
     
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    With a minimum wage…….
     
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    You aren’t. You are helping a poorly qualified person become a productive member of society. To be human is to be productive.
     
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    The minimum wages forces entry level wages to be artificially high. When the cost of entry level jobs is artificially high fewer entry level people are hired.
     
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    Perhaps it’s a coincidence that parking attendants were replaced with pay machines and cashiers are replaced with self checkouts at the same time. I often hear how companies are focused on profits from the same people claiming that certain groups are paid less for doing the same work. Which is it?
     

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