what if man create all them renditions? kind of like you created that post and i created the question proven by the fact; mankind created all words!
I am not so sure that Revelations is a scam. Being agnostic I like evidence to support the things I think about. And seeing that Revelations was written about 2,000 years ago and a lot of the predictions seem to be coming true it gives me pause to wonder. However... a lot of the Old Testament gives me problems.
what part of Rev is supported? what yr? what parts have come true? and if rev is from OT, wouldnt that make you feel kind of funny with your post?
Who can explain it? My best analogy would be that we are made in God's image and are also a triune being, body, soul, spirit.
Well, I'm glad to see that you are seeking and that's a place we all started from. Sure the OT seems to be a source of questioning and controversy in light of the NT teachings. Just remember that Christians are NT believers and for many of us we see the relevance of the OT and how God dealt with the Israelites, their ups and downs and their enemies. We have a new covenant with Jesus and it makes all the difference in the world and eternity.
I kinda like that explanation even though it's just for humor's sake. The analogy makes things a little more confusing. Soul and spirit are not two words describing the same thing?
The way I think of it is that the soul is the brain. However, within that brain we experince the phenomenon called love. This is the spiritual experience for human beings. We live our lives for it and without it we are miserable indeed! We experience other things in our brian such as anger and happiness and joy etc, but love dictates whether we feel those other emotions. And yes, I view love to be something real other than just chemical reactions in the brain. Love continues once our body dies. For me love experienced in the material world is the one link between the spiritual and material world because Biblically God is said to be love.
So what is the significance of the hundreds of references to the heart in the Holy Bible? Could it not be the brain is where the physical and mental component of love resides, however the heart is symbolic of the spirit of love?
I think that is a fair assessement. The heart being what effects the rest of the system. For example, without the loving touch of a mother a baby will inexplicably die.
First off I do not think that the existence of evil in the world negates the posibility of God. Second, your link does not address the central questions given. The author dismisses evil saying. Of course evil is a created thing. You can not claim that Good is a created trait and say that evil is not. His argument that you can not taste touch or smell evil is silly. You can not taste touch or smell good either. I do not see any justification for your position in that link: If God created man then God knew that man had the potential for evil. If God is all knowing, then God would be able to predict which creations would be evil and which would be not. If God made the rules for what is good .. in doing so he made the rules for what is evil. What is needed perhaps is a different conception God .. one that makes sense.
I believe that as Christians we have the introduction of the spiritual mind. Not linked to the brain of the flesh, but of the Spirit. For when we were born-again, our spirit was given life by the Spirit of God. And we now have the mind of God in our Spirit. Romans 8:7 " Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. " 1Cor. 2: 14-16 " But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. " But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. " For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. " Eph. 4:23 " And be renewed in the spirit of your mind. " Quantrill
LOL Is the idea that God is a sensible fellow too much of a foreign concept for you to handle ? Did you ever consider that perhaps if ideas of God do not make sense, it is because they are not sensible ideas.
To be "born again" you first have to die. Paul was a strange fellow indeed and this comment from Romans makes no sense. Pauls teachings differ from the teachings of Jesus and different writers added to his teachings over the years. If course a carnal mind is subject to the Law just like any other mind. Many of Gods laws deal with sex and all minds are subject to these laws. Unfortunately most Christians do not understand what was meant by the term "adultery and fornication" Men could have more than one wife and sleep with other women and this was not adultery in the OT. Women were considered property so bedding another mans wife was a really bad form of stealing. Fornication was related to things such as temple prostitutes .. a form of Idolatry and had nothing to do with normal sexual relations. More Pauline rubbish. Paul did not even know Christ and the diciples did not want anything to do with him. Is there a purpose to this quote. Of course we have the mind of Christ .. both are humans and humans were made in the likeness of the Gods. The only difference being that humans do not have immoratality.
God is not a fellow in the sense of being a man. For one to conclude God makes sense one has to accept the possibility that in fact He exists, that Jesus is their Savior. Short of that it is a foreign concept, but not for us, but for the unbeliever.
God, not gods. Jesus promised us eternal life, you cannot become more immortal than this. However, we're speaking of spiritual immortality, not physical as the secular world have us believe.
The Bible says we are like the Gods who made us except for having immortality. You can make up your own version if you like. I do indeed accept the possibility that God exists. I do accept the possibility that God could send a messenger in the form of Jesus. Why would you think that God would not do sensible things. Do you think he wants to intentionally confuse humans ? Perhaps God is indeed a trickster as the irrational God theory that you seem to be suggesting might imply. I do not know any more than you do the exact nature of God.
Die a real death. Please do not overlook the fact that during the time of the OT, there were two periods (no pun intended). 1) Mercy (between Adam and Moses), 2) Law (between Moses and Jesus). We are NT followers and our covenant is with Jesus, no longer under the law so comparisons for comparisons sake are foolish and misguided. Christs says that not one letter of the law will be changed. Perhaps you should read the Book of Acts. Paul had an encounter with Christ and became the most prolific NT author ever and his writings are certainly in line with the teachings of Jesus, though others dispute this to their own consternation and loss. Paul never knew Christ and the deciples did not think much of him. Many of the writings claimed to be of Paul are thought to be written by someone else and his writings have serious deviations from those of Jesus, particularly in relation to the law and entrance into the kingdom of heaven. . Genesis speaks of Gods .. not God, creating man. If you read the creation story, everything that God makes prior to man uses the phrase. And God made this ,, and God made that, and God said this, and God created that, Here is one example "And God said, Let the waters bring forth" When it comes to creating man .. God involves others in the creation effort. "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf It is absurd to assume this is the trinity being referred to because in all the other creations it is just God .. "US" is never mentioned. Second - "Our Likeness" Does the Holy Spirit have a Likeness Third - The authors had never heard of the Trinity and that was certainly not their intention nor to Hebrew Scholars say that this referes to the Trinity. Fourth - The early Church did not accept the Trinity doctrine until 300 years after Christ. Fifth - no one has presented an even remotely convincing nevermind valid argument for this referring to the trinity.
No, its too much a foreign concept for you to know. God does not appeal to your fallen 'reason' or 'logic'. They make perfect sense to those who are Christians and of God. Those who have the Spirit of God have their sense attuned to the things of God. Thus they are sensible. Quantrill
All are dead spiritually until they come to Christ. Then their spirit is 'born-again'. Pauls comments make no sense to you because you are not of God. Romans is the Word of God. Paul knew the risen Christ and obtained his revelations from Him. You don't have the mind of Christ. Unless one has the Spirit of Christ and God, he cannot have the mind of Christ. And you cannot have the Spirit of Christ unless you are born-again. And you are not born-again until you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour. Quantrill
I did not infer He was not sensible, but perhaps not in the way that humans come to know the term. God does not trick, but God does know the heart and He knows where every individual are and will be in their acceptance of rejection of His Son as their Savior. I shall not continue this tit for tat back and forth with you any longer. I will return to sharing the Good News with those whose hearts are not so cold. Perhaps another will find you more receptive to the truth.
Every comment of yours is found with fault. The Holy Bible indeed refutes your very words. Enough of this childish refuting of yours.
there is proof of a lie The foriegn concept on this thread is honesty and dont stand for lies either lies to fit liars learning to mislead is what the selfish do best. it's like an actor learning its lines
