Rick Perry will be next President

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  1. Up On the Governor

    Up On the Governor Well-Known Member

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    Or you can vote my way- Anyone But the Incumbent or the ABI strategy. Send a message any way you can. You cannot do that if you do not vote.
     
  2. Johnny-C

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    The "Right" is severely marginalizing itself. While that may appeal to me emotionally, I don't necessarily want to see America become overly orientated to the "Left"... which is exactly what will happen, as more 'sane' people select the more tenable candidates.

    All this moving to the far-Right and 'religion', isn't what this nation needs so much of. We need practical and reasonable leadership; not more extremists who will further the paralyzing intransigence which renders government impotent. We don't need more of that, and it seem Perry will be a full package of the same.

    They may be changing, but the values didn't just disappear into thin air. "Liberals" or the latest version of the same still exist, and will exist; if for no more reason than to OPPOSE the intransigent extremists on the "Right".

    So, now only people on the "Right" are normal? Your thoughts/expressions here are as UN-American as anything I've read in the history book. What you're saying is just disgusting, and you may not realize it... but your kind of view actually MOTIVATES most on the "Left".

    Just because you are on the "Right" and perhaps believe that "God" is only on YOUR side (whatever the malfunction in your logic/thinking), doesn't mean that people who have view and values other than your own... won't be out here contending with you. I think you know that, but you're just pulling the internet equivalent of sticking out your chest and breaking-bad. So be it.
     
  3. ptif219

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    No it started when the Democrats took back the majority in congress
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    You are wrong. Conservatives will win this election
     
  5. Stupidsheep

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    Wow, just what America needs, an another slick talking forked tongue better speaker. Lol.

    You morons don't learn, do ?

    I'll be voting Ron Paul or writing his name in so that he can clean up the problems that all these "better speakers" left us with.

    Perry is just another globalist illuminati sell out puppet.

    I stopped feeling bad for the stupid sheep that can't see through these actors.
     
  6. ptif219

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    Ron Paul and his isolation agenda will do more harm than good

    Perry will do good things but it is hard to trust him since he is a former Democrat
     
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    What is the definition of a Isolationist? One that doesn't have 900+ bases across the globe, doesn't attack countries without a declaration of War, doesn't support torture/terrorism, doesn't give foreign aid to countries, doesn't set up coups to overthrow elected Governments to install Dictators that are Pro-America, and doesn't pay lip service to Free Trade/Capitialism?

    Maybe before you start using the word "Isolation" you should try reading the definition.. you know what I'm such a helpful guy I'll just give you a pretty link and tell me if Ron Paul's ideas are similar to Feudal Japan.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolationism

    You're just another Status Quo... the blinders are on and you don't even bother to research anything.
     
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    He tried to sell the Texas' lottery to some wealthy investors. The man is filth walking.
     
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    He tried to sell our lottery to wealthy investors. How sick is that?
     
  10. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Rick Perry does not have the support of independent voters which would be necessary to win the presidency. If we disregard the rabid Republican condemnation of President Obama that is generally without any merit then the independents which are unaffected by this rhetoric would pick Obama over Perry.

    Perry (and Bachmann) which score high among extremist Chirstian fundamentalists that control the Republican primaries score very low with independents and libertarians that are necessary for election. In a choice of "the lesser of two evils" Obama would win over Perry not because Obama is a good president but independents and libertarians see Perry (or Bachmann) as a greater threat to America. We don't want a government controlled by Christian religious beliefs that violate the Constitution. It's bad enough having "social" beliefs that violate the Constitution but we're not going to support even more oppressive religious beliefs violating the Constitution.
     
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    Rick Perry is a former democrat and advisor for Al Gore, excuse me if I have my doubts with the sincerity of his beliefs and his supposed great animosity towards democratic policies.

    If he gets elected president he will just be another status quo Bushama clone.
     
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    One doesn't do the Paul voters any favors by calling everyone else morons. We are all entitled to our opinions, and are much more believable if we argue with facts instead of insults.
     
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    Perhaps he will, but we have seen from 2 presidents and various congress nothing but harm to our country.
    May it its time we try something different, because what we have been doing isn't working so well, now is it?
    And no, that didn't just start with BO.
    If we really want to better this country, we must admit that we have a/ identify the problem, who created it, and move away from those who did.
     
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    Paul wants us out of the world problems. He fails to understand as a super party we need to try and bring peace and be the adults not turn our back on the world
     
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    So libertarians are against the Tea Party and smaller government? You may find as we get closer to the election it will not matter as much as getting rid of Obama
     
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    Don't get me wrong I would rather see Cain but I will look at all candidates with an open mind
     
  17. Shangrila

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    From what I have observed, read, listened to, Tea partiers talk about smaller Gov, but only when its convenient. Its the follow through that is lacking.
    Why else would they reject a Paul and rally behind someone who talks about reducing the inconvenient side of Gov, while promoting more Gov oversight in other areas ? It makes no sense.
    We can't pick and choose parts of our Constitution. We either embrace it in its entirety, or not at all.
     
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    Are there that many Americans who really believe that Jesus has a special place in his heart for the United States as compared to other countries? I hear people like Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann (and George W Bush for that matter) speak about God giving special guidance to them about political issues, and it turn me off. What a bizarre concept. This morning Ms. Bachmann claimed on Meet the Press that God has bestowed special graces to the United States.

    If you check into the Bible, the New Testament, Jesus did not spend much time dwelling on political issues, his whole message is about conversion of the individual heart, discerning between the material and spiritual aspirations. And, most of all, to eschew selfishness. When challenged by the zealots of the era, he plainly stated that his kingdom was not of this world, and to render unto Caeser what is Caeser's to God what is God's.

    I can't help but believe that most Christian Americans do not see that God sees all nationalities as equally deserving of his providence. If they do not, really how Christian are they?
     
  19. RiseAgainst

    RiseAgainst Banned

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    If nothing else, at least we'll have a beautiful first lady.

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    Even though she's like 40 years older than me that's fine by me. :buggered:
     
  20. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Yes, generally speaking Libertarians do oppose the Tea Party and for two fundamental reasons.

    First of all the Tea Party is not about reducing the size of government. I know that they give lip service to this but when we listen to the Tea Party rhetoric is lacks any rational thought.

    For example, the biggest item on the Tea Party agenda is cutting "entitlement spending" predominately related to Social Security and Medicare. While Social Security and Medicare are based upon financially unsound funding how much have they contributed to the national debt so far? The answer is ZERO. FICA/Payroll taxes, which support both Social Securit and Medicare collected over three trillion dollars at one point in excess revenues and still have a surplus balance well over two trillion dollars. Not a single dollar of the national debt has been generated by either Social Security or Medicare to date.

    Certainly Libertarians oppose both Social Securit and Medicare but we do so because they are crappy programs not authorized under the Constitution and that do not have long term viability. They are not the cause behind our soaring national debt so far though. If the Tea Party wanted to address the national debt they would be supporting cuts to US government interventionism in the sovereign affairs of other nations but they don't support such cuts.

    The Tea Party, or at least their most prominate leaders such as Michelle Bachmann, also opposes the US Constitution. They oppose the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment and they oppose the Right of Sovereignty of a woman to make a choice related to her own medical decisions when it comes to abortion. They are opposed to the Rights of the People and they even oppose the 1st Amendment that prohibits the establishment of religion by the government.

    So yes, Libertarians oppose the Tea Party because it is a fraud. It is a one-trick pony that really doesn't want to reduce the size of government or it's intrusions and violations of the Rights of the People. It merely wants to limit those intrusions to it's political agenda instead of a liberal agenda.
     
  21. Dware

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    With all do respect Libertarians are a tiny voting block.

    Most of them will vote Republican in the end anyway.
     
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    And Rick Perry can change that.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUSaNN0LTWk"]Rick Perry slammed by Libertarian Director - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Rick Perry personally burned down the Texas Governor's Mansion just so he wouldn't have to live in an old house. Now he's using Stimulus Money to repair it while he forces the tax payers to front the $2 BILLION dollars a year costs for him to live in a sprawling estate. True story.
     
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    First there's the pesky bidness of Bachmann.
    If somehow both Tea Party candidates can work out an
    agreement and Bachmann is the V.P. choice I think it's
    inevitable.
    No matter how much I Like Bachmann she isn't ready to be
    President.Of course Perry could convince Pailn to be his
    V.P.
    But then Hillary wasn't ready to a President either.
    She's TOO bossy.
    Plus we now KNOW that Liberals weren't ready for the First Black
    President also.Because they are Unwilling to take him to task for
    anything.A Presidents never had that Luxury before.
     
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    Legitimate link? Anything? Nah let's just go with your word. :ignore:
     
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