Robert F Kennedy went where Biden refuses to go, the Open US Border

Ya know it's funny... not so long ago, there was a self-adoring political faction in Germany that said essentially the same thing that you evidently believe. But, in the minds of people like this, "the choice is very simple".

But, in real DEMOCRACIES in constitutional republics, it is never that simple.

. OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!

 

@conservaliberal

""simply tunnel under them, cut through them, or ladder their way over them."" Wow.... sounds so easy when you put that word "simply" in front of it all.. being it is not just a wall, but a wall with sensors and camera's and drone surveillance monitoring it 24/7...

 

You have a point , and I must admit I carried away with my past few posts. So let’s start again.

In 2023 America, in one side we have a party which center around Trump. In the morning they believe in democracy, but at night when the election result comes out, they don’t believe in democracy. They think every institution which America has built over 250 years is corrupt and only their “dear Leader” is the savior. On the other hand, we have DEMS, who are not perfect, who’s leader is 78 years old man and can speak barely in full sentence. But here is the thing, this 78 year old man is no Obama or Reagan or JFK but he is better then the other side who wants to tear down American democracy, who wants to bring down every institution we Americans built last 250 years. This 78 years old man has much better chance defeating republican on 2024 then any one else. RFK has less then 25% chance defeating anyone. I am not going to play around with American democracy and risk losing it because I don’t like how Joe Biden speak full sentence. My question to you, why do you want to take risk of American democracy ? Election 2024 is not same election as it was in 2008. In 2008 we had a young inspired Obama ( yes lacked experience) vs a National hero John McCain who devoted his entire life for this country. In 2012 we again had Obama ( you may not like all his economic policy) and Mitt Romney, may be not a national hero like John McCain but a decent American. Today we have Joe Biden ( can’t speak full sentence) vs Trump who thinks “US Nuclear secret is his personal property)”. You want to risk every thing because you think Biden can’t speak in full sentence?

 

He's not a Republican, he's a Democrat.

 

It's OK, I admire passion and ethical fortitude in those who are my debate opponents. It's a very strange and undesirable position for those who, like me, are "Independents", but it's true nevertheless that many of us don't want anything to do with either Biden or Trump. And yet we do believe devoutly in the nation's Constitution, and the principle that all American citizens are equal before the law. Surely it follows that we are also ardent believers in Democracy!

Moving back over on topic, it's probably accurate to conclude that all of us, whether Republican, Democrat, or Independent, want to examine RFK Jr. "from stem to stern" and see what he stands for, and what he says he will do if elected. We need choices, Endeavor, we also need leadership that will do what is RIGHT according to our laws and our Constitution. If we don't, then we really could fall into the kind of political traps that both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany fell into long ago. The danger is ALWAYS there.

 

So was Trump. But you liked Trump so much that he ran and won as Republican. It seems like you guys like RFK very much. He should run as Republican and you can vote for him.

 

UNLIKE THE TRUMP OBSESSED, I AM COMPLETELY CLEAR ON THE INCONTROVERTIBLE FACT THAT RFK IS A DEMOCRAT AND RUNNING AS DEMOCRAT, DESPITE YOUR WHIMS TO THE CONTRARY.

 

So you don’t want to vote for him, you don’t even want in your party, but you are promoting him for Democrats , why?

 

Can you tell me what are the things Joe Biden did wrong to our laws and constitution that might take us closer to NAZI Germany?

 

OK, back to basics. First, Biden isn't Hitler or Stalin, and that isn't what I said or suggested at all.

On his best day, even so long ago, Biden was nothing but an easily-manipulated mediocrity, a 'tool', a stooge for an increasingly radical, anti-American Democrat Party leadership. Now, as president this role highlights his inattention and neglect of duties associated with being a Commander-in-Chief, protector of American borders and sovereignty, etc., but not (NOT) those of committing crimes while actually in the White House. Are we clear on that?

The moves toward becoming a Nazi Germany or a Stalinist Soviet Union involves a gradual process, not the unilateral actions of a single person, and it always involves the increasing demonization and suppression of political opponents. We've seen these increasingly divisive, rancorous processes, overt and covert, practiced among both Republicans and Democrats. Germans in the Weimar Republic saw the violence and antagonism mainly between National Socialists and Communists -- always with increasing anger and intolerance resulting in the extreme polarization that ultimately produced a Nazi takeover. That is what we see developing in the U. S. today, not the 'rubber-stamp' complicity of an unremarkable man named Joe Biden.

Now, back on RFK Jr., the actual topic of this thread. Most of us, including me, don't really know much about him at all, except, of course, that he's a "Kennedy". In the coming months, almost certainly while Biden's political troubles mushroom around him related to allegations being made against Biden during the period that he was VICE-president, we'll learn a great deal more about RFK Jr. We must all keep open minds, and consider everything carefully -- which is exactly what neither Germans nor Russians did at a crucial time when they allowed themselves to be morphed into being a Nazi Germany, or a Soviet Union! If there had been more "Independents" in Germany or Russia back then, it's possible that Hitler and Stalin might have been nothing but small footnotes in 20th century history.

 

I wanted to take you seriously but the sentence I bolded in your replay explains exactly who you are.

Have a nice day.

 

Well, good. At least now we understand each other. I'm an unaffiliated Independent, and you're a loyalist Democrat. There's room for BOTH of us in the United States that I hope re-emerges after "this present darkness" finally lifts... if it ever does.

Keep your eye on RFK Jr. My guess is that as Biden's troubles continue to mount rapidly, you may discover that you like Kennedy better than you ever imagined you could. Who knows? Maybe we in the real American "middle" will, too! Cheers!

. Send both of them to a retirement home?

 

Fake news. I do want to vote for him.

 

Great , take him to your party just like you guys took Trump.

 

He has no interest in being a Republican, he is quite proud of his Democrat heritage.

 

Actually, you're right! There was a time no so long ago when Donald Trump was "thick as thieves" with the highest levels of the Democrat Party's elite! The possibilities of Trump actually being a Democrat "mole" could be the stuff of a Tom Clancy novel....

."Hey, I could run as a Republican and REALLY screw them up!"

 

Believe it or not I thought the same in 2015. I thought Trump was a Dems mole to f%%% GOP for generation to come. Trump did f$$$ GOP for generation to come, but I think he is too megalomaniac to be Dems mole or anyone’s puppet.

 

Actually, you make a very, VERY good point, and it is one that I was steering toward in our previous conversation. Trump is a megalomaniac, and highly egocentric. The effect of unlimited privilege, great wealth, and considerable success in his business activities definitely have molded his mind... and in a somewhat similar way, this was also true about Adolf Hitler!

Hitler was a bust-out financial failure, left temporarily blinded by gas in WWI, flat on his back in a hospital, but through the National Socialist Party, he did achieve power beyond the imagination of anyone (including Franz von Papen and the other German upper-class aristocrats who thought they make a "puppet" out of him). The staggering amount of power and adoration was wholly intoxicating to Hitler, who came to think of himself as a kind of "messiah", and, as time has shown, Trump seems to manifest many of the same projections, including feeling persecuted as he tries, single-handedly, to 'save America' (in much the same way Hitler wanted to 'save' Germany from the Communists).

After WWI, Germany did need saving, and America definitely needs saving today... but in order to be lasting and truly beneficial, such tasks will always need leaders with much more balanced mentalities.

 

lol. No. You are being lied to.

 

So, you're pretty happy with Biden's border policy?

 

Rarely do I see Americans recognizing how their country contributes to the situations that lead to the migrants they complain about coming.

 

I'm starting to see a trend with you making straw man arguments about me. Show me where I stated I'm happy about Biden's border policy? Hell, show me any post of mine where I said I'm happy about the the US illegal immigration issue in general. You WILL find posts from me stating I think the penalties regarding illegal immigration should be MUCH harsher than ANY politician is willing to back. Or just continue with your troll games. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

You said I misunderstood your position, so I was double checking and you are correct. You seem pretty dissatisfied with both sides, which I can certainly understand.

 

Reuters: A Migrant Caravan is Coming and it is Spectacular



Who is feeding them? Who is organizing these folks and send them to invade our Southern Border? Who prints their signs?

 

We didn't become a great nation by allowing caravans of foreigners to come to the USA at their will. But we will become a 3rd world country if it continues. Biden has to go and the next president has to stop the hordes of foreigners invading the USA.