Rockets Fired Between Gaza and Tel Aviv

The missile strikes came from a country that has had war waged against it for 20 years without one single pause.

Noting that does not mean I like the Hamas rockets or suicide bombers, or whatever.

You can NOT expect Palestine to use Israeli style weapons in the war, because they don't have any. And, you can't expect Gaza to simply stand by and do nothing while Israel wages war against them. I don't see that as a justification. It is a FACT of LIFE. It's how human beings are constructed.
----
You made a heartfelt argument that Israeli body parts are an atrocity. And, I absolutely agree.

Then, I pointed out that Palestinian body parts are an atrocity, too. And, there are MANY TIMES more of them.

My point was purely focused on refuting your "pounds of body parts" argument that was aimed not at war, but at Palestinians.

I really HATE the arguments that are along the line of "MY method of war is so much better than YOUR method of war".

The war has to end. It does not matter whose stack of body parts is highest or how much more important anyone thinks their own stack of body parts is.


You have to see your stack of body parts as a reason for ending the war, not as a justification for killing more Palestinians.

Gaza has to see it that way, too, but they have absolutely no possibility of ending the war, while Israel does.

Israel is totally free to state exactly what the final disposition of Gaza should be.

 

Quote - 'There is no such thing as historic, ethnic or religious rights.'
Indigenous people employ these rights.
And if Jews have no further connection to Jerusalem and Israel, where
do you propose the ten million of them go? To the moon?

 

Just one for now. The 1970's study was done because the tiny Jewish community in Rome
is well documented and tightly knit community. The Jews there were closely related. The
study said they knew of no other group quite like this one.

 

You again falsely misrepresen what I in fact said to deflect from your falsehoods I presented and you do notbknow how to respond to.

Someone else feel free to deal with such pathology. Time for the ignore button.

 

They have to have full rights to stay right where they are. I have NEVER suggested otherwise.

And, they should have full rights to move to other countries or other places inside their country - like everybody should have.

I will say that I seriously do NOT believe Israel can administer the portion of Jerusalem where Muslims and Jews have holy places to which Jews and Muslims throughout the world will always want access.

They have proven incapable. And, Palestine is quite unlikely to be any better.

This was always one of the significant issues in negotiations that used to take place back when Israel was willing to negotiate.

I'm sure you are well aware that I'm saying nothing new here. Over the years there have been a number of serious suggestions, such as forming an autonomous zone administered by an outside agency and chartered to allow equal access and assure security.

Maybe that would have the additional advantage of having at least a portion of the border between East and West Jerusalem operated by an outside agency.

 

I don't understand the part about the Arab League having to compensate Palestinians.

Is this tied to the problem of Palestinian refugees?

 

These points.
Who would administer the 'full rights' of the Jewish people, Hamas? Don't make me laugh,
not even fully democratic nations have done this. Remember, over 100 nations have removed
their Jewish minorities. Could happen in America next. Many Jews are leaving Europe due to
rising antisemitism. Would YOU trust an alien, militant culture to give you full rights? Will
Europeans eventually have liberal democratic rights under European Islam?

Israel has done a good job of minding the temple. They didn't allow their own people to worship
on it after the Six Day War. That's amazing - IT'S THEIR OWN TEMPLE MOUNT. Jews must
still worship at the base of the mount. Extraordinary, and wrong. The only time there's trouble on
the mount is when Arabs come swarming out of the mosque and start smashing and hurting
people - peaceful sermons about God, not.

The worse thing to happen is for an international body to maintain the peace - like the UN
stops Iran sending missiles to Hezbollah, or the UN stopping Egypt from attacking Israel, or
the international community stopping Egypt blocking international waters. Israel stands alone.

 

So, we have a new ceasefire between Hamas and Israel.
But today we have this

 

Please be serious.

 

A "cease fire" is nice.

But, that doesn't mean the war isn't continuing at exactly the same rate it has for 20 years.

Gaza is an open air prison. It is denied ingress and egress. It is denied trade, including exports. It is denied fishing rights in its own waters. Each of these issues IS a universally recognized act of war.

Not shooting people does NOT mean there is a pause in the war. There is only a pause in the rate of shooting people.

 

You are quite biased -- each restriction placed on Hamas was for a security reason.
It's like having a mini-ISIS state five miles from your home. Remember, Hamas is
pretty much the same as ISIS and the Taliban. They are all cut from the same cloth.
And as Israelis say, it won't stop with Israel.
There was no wall till the suicide bombers started tearing apart buses and restaurants.
No fishing issues till Hamas started sneaking onto Israeli shores with AK47's
No restrictions till Hamas started building weapons and tunnels into Israel to kidnap
and murder.

But aside from the media, Gaza is doing fine. They openly rejected all economic and
access issues in preference for their little war.

 

Israeli jets strike Gaza targets days after leadership shake-up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...0.5hUqBuieDwEkXCI2Ql0QJqYBQTZbvRAPQbBfhMN0xEE


This is getting nowhere.....as the cycle of angst continues. They are both responsible.......and neither is willing to adapt or work things out.

 

Ok, we have a 'cease fire' and then Hamas stirs the pot again.
How can Israel be 'responsible' for this latest round?

 

It takes two to tango.....And these two parties have been doing the war tango for along time.

At this point... I don't care who started it......I want to see who will finish it.

 

Only Israel will finish it. The Islamists won't stop until all of Palestine belongs to Islam.
And Europe for that matter.

 

Israel says it launched rockets at Gaza after incendiary balloons were sent into the country

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...=857693951420692326&utm_medium=Email Sailthru

"The Israeli military launched warplanes to raid compounds in Gaza on Wednesday morning after officials claimed that Hamas had sent incendiary balloons into Israel — the first such violence since a cease-fire between the two last month ended 11 days of fighting. The flare-up comes after hundreds of people, some chanting “Death to Arabs,” marched through east Jerusalem on Tuesday on the heels of the country's forming a new government."

 

That is your opinion. It remains so that Israel and it's Jews started this fight, by applying their apartheid laws to start a new round of kicking Arab civilians out of their houses outside Israel, while Arabs are unable to do the same to Jews inside Israel, because of their ethnic background.

As for your opinion that suggest ethnic cleansing +700,000 Arabs is justified because the Jews were smarter and military more competent. That's just a way to say a war crime is justified when you are able to pull it off. The world disagrees. and their norms about what to think about ethnic cleansing were written down in the Geneva Conventions. Says a lot where to place that opinion of yours.

 

Lots of Jews are indigenous to whatever place they were living in before moving to Israel.
They can move back. Their children are all able to acquire the nationality from their parents.
While the Palestinian people are indigenous to Israel.

 

There is always that one group that inbreeds. That doesn't prove jack about all Jews are related, as noted in my example that plenty of white Americans got some African American blood in them even despite compulsionary segregation that ended just 60 years ago. That leaves nothing to the imagination how it is going to be in 2000 years from now. Almost all of them with have some African blood in them, but that does not make them African one bit. That is same with the Jews now.

 

The Oslo accords are kept, area A they can build as they please and they do, not so in area C, I know you think its all part of a Palestinian country - we don't.

I didn't understand who gets "removed" from Gaza ? removed to where ?
Also demolishing houses or apartments are done to terrorists, I don't know what's the story behind that picture.

 

You expect the UN to pass a resolution that non native Israelis must immigrate to......someplace ? that's your belief ?

 

And you think that if Hamas shoots enough rockets at Israel the Israelis will say "y'know what....from now on the Gazans can enter Israel as they please, we'll split our country apart so you could travel faster too".

It wasn't always an "open prison" was it,

To your approach, defeat Israel by arms, one has to understand what's at stake here.

 

You won't believe this but I am Australian with 1/64 Bantu African genes
and I am related to Cynthia Parker, the mother of Quana Parker, Comanche
chieftain. Those indians were the ultimate racist, sexist, militarist, imperialist
and abjectly cruel people on the planet.
And the Bantus were quite imperialist too - the Zulus in particular were rather
brutal and racist.
But anyhow, we know a person is 'Jew' if we do a DNA test. It's all to do with
'haplotypes' or types of genes. So you can identify some as Jews by appearance,
and some by their background. Marrying a Jew or converting to Judaism does
not really 'make' you a Jew. Studies show that people who come into Judaism
like this don't stay more than 4-5 generations.

 

There is no ethnic cleansing; that's just a propaganda trope. The Palestinians will likely be absorbed into the neighboring Arab states. Once upon a time there were many distinct populations in small states in what is now Germany. Now they're all just Germans.

 

My "believe" is that there is no such thing for Jews claiming to having this ethnic religious right above the right of the indigenous Palestinians. As in what I stated in post 1428. It goes against everything the world agreed upon in the Geneva Conventions etc. It is time overdue that the Jews commit to this, and end their ethnic cleansing ways and repair their wrongs as much as they can. I see no problem of all them Israeli settlers to just leave Palestina and move back to Israel. I fail to see any problem that jews living in Israel on stolen property to either pay up or leave. It is what the jews do to Arabs.