Rockets Fired Between Gaza and Tel Aviv

The 'trick word' here is 'Palestinian.'
Jews, Druze and Christians in Israel are Palestinians.
There have been Palestinians since Neanderthals were in Levant
nearly a million years ago.
Hebrews came to the Levant about 4,000 years ago. Muslims
arrived about 1300 years ago, driving out 'indigenous people'
without any Balfour Declaration, reservation, UN Partition etc..

The Jews, unwelcome just about everywhere they set up camp,
now want their land back. Or at least, they will settle for half of it.
Arabs don't want them having half back, though Israel is 1/10 of
1% of the whole Middle East. Fair break. And it's the Jewish
temple too and Jews can't even worship on it.

 

That's your opinion vs the opinion of the world. Even the US demands that Israel ends the kicking out of Arabs from East Jerusalem for the sake for Jews to get that real estate.... since already have told Israel to stop building beyond the green line 3 times.

 

Uh.. I thought the UN gave Jews right to half of their former land
of Israel. You reference Geneva Conventions (how about returning
prisoners Mr Gaza, and compensating for the suicide bombings)
but don't reference the UN plan.

Wikipedia

Who rejected the UN partition plan?
Palestinians
34.3. 2: The Partitioning of Palestine

The UN Partition Plan for Palestine was a proposal by the United Nations
that recommended a partition of Mandatory Palestine into independent Arab
and Jewish States. It was rejected by the Palestinians, leading to a civil war
and the end of the British Mandate.

 

You can't have it both ways
1 - Arabs got kicked out of Israel
2 - Jews left Muslim nations voluntarily

There's two million Arabs still in Israel
There's two Jews in Iraq
There's two Jews in Somalia.

 

And the British Crown once established a boundary (roughly along the Blue Ridge) beyond which American colonists were not permitted to settle. That was brushed aside. No nation on Earth is today possessed or governed by its original inhabitants.

 

Ah.. they drove out all the indigenous people, except Jews. It is total nonsense and you know it.

The Balfour Declaration gives the rights to Palestinians above the rights of the immigrating Jews.
Their civil rights are protected. It even adds that this must be clearly understood.
The Jews breached those rights. The UN Partition plan also never supported the removal of Palestinians.
Hence the Jews are at fault of their war criminal endeavors.

Jews don't want to return any land back they thieved from Arab civilians.
Israel made it the law that only the Jew for being a Jew can claim real estate back lost in war.
While the Jew stole the real estate of +700,000 Arab civilians illegally according to international law.
Specifically the Balfour Declaration demanding that the civil rights of the indigenous people may not be compromised.

All the troubles between Jews and Palestinians are related to the Jew thieving the lands of Arabs illegally.

 

I already commented on this utterly racist argument full with falsehoods.

 

We got the Geneva Conventions now to comply with. And Israel is a signatory of it.

 

Not seeing how the UN gave Jews the ethnic right to ethnic cleanse Arabs.

And if you think you're cute in thinking you can get compensated for suicide bombings,
than I do note that Israeli Jews killed far more children than Palestinians killed Jews.
Americans soldiers were ones labelled as baby killers. But I do think we got a new champion.

 

And Israel can assert the sovereign right of self-defense.

 

The Palestinians just can't get out of their own way.

Israeli airstrikes target Gaza amid fragile cease-fire
Israel Defense Forces jets struck compounds that the IDF said belong to militants after incendiary balloons crossed into Israel from Hamas-controlled territory. The exchange posed a first test for Israel’s new government a few days into its tenure.
By Paulina Villegas and Michael E. Miller

 

60 pages on this topic and still no closer to finding answers, any answers. Like the Middle East itself, this will be argued for the next 2,000 years and there still won’t be a final answer.
60 pages of lies, innuendo, false claims, false information.

You all do realize that it’s Trumps fault right?

 

Hang on a second you don't get care who started it? Really? Tell me where do you and so many others sitting at home on your sofa taking your life and security for granted get off reducing this conflict to some petter annoyance to you and using such a reference as you do not care who started it....of course you don't-it doesn't effect you.

You should have ended your comment after "you don't care".

 

According to the Geneva Conventions, them ethnic cleansing ways is just a 1 big no.
There is no right to defend your ethnic cleansing way. Victims of ethnic cleansing have the right to protect themselves.

 

While you are right, you know we Jews define our collective identity as a mix of many components which most people do NOT and will never understand but one thing we do not do is refer to ourselves as a race because in our case that term
was only used to define us as inferior vermin. In the examples you use and people will NOT understand, you are not using it to suggest secondary physical characteristics like lip size and shape, nose size and shape, hair texture, tone of skin as most "racists" do because they still by in to "race" as meaning secondary physical characteristics.

You use it merely to show common ancestry and to prove we are indigenous peoples of the Middle East which I appreciate.

Your audience however won't get it. You have read the crap on this and many other posts and threads. For anti Israelis they think one of two things; i-"Jewish" refers to the concept of Jewish people of Israel thinking they are superior to non Jewish people based on false assumption of what "chosen people" means in the Bible, false assumptions on what Zionism actually defines a Jew as (nothing to do with religion) which is based on ignore of the religion of Judaism and how its recognized in Israeli law; or ii-its used by anti-semite white supremacists to describe us as an inferior race polluting caucasian genes.

Leftist wokes for want of a better term have no clue what Zionism actually stands for or how the laws defining who is a Jew in Israel work and/or how the laws operate with non Jewish Israeli citizens.

They have zero clue and they can not be bothered to research it. When they are challenged as to these fallacies they will not respond directly-the best you get is a circling back to repeating the original false assumptions and never any basis for those assumptions.

If this thread proves anything it proves exactly the kind of ignorance Israel is up against, arm-chair sofa experts who think they know what is good for Israel or presume to tell Jews they are the only people in the world who can not express their collective identity through a state.

My favourite are the snot nosed arrogant commentators who claim "they don't care" but then continue writing as if they are scolding school children. These same snot noses live in a country where if they were shot at, they would be the first demanding and screaming they be protected.

I love it when someone says "I do not care". The only people that ca preface comments like that are clearly people that live in lifestyles they assume are the norm and that anyone that does not live like them is a savage.

It is the tone all minorities know and have felt from those who think they are in the majority and can dictate to minorities how they should live like the majority.

Here is the thing-the so called experts that dismiss the conflict and don't care who started it would if was them getting shot at or if was them being targetted by terrorists of it was them being told by Hamas they should be prepared to die and be placed in the line of fire because they are all warriors carrying on the battle to liberate the Muslim lands from infidel Jews.

Been there done that. Cleaned up after terrorist attacks. Been spit on by people on both sides of the conflict for pushing them both apart-been lectured to by snot nosed sheltered sofa arm chair geniuses as to the history of my people and why I need to know my place in the world is stateless.

Guess what Poo, truthfully they can all phack themselves.

Bottom line is I appreciate your insight but you would be the first to understand-this conflict will require Palestinians and Israelis to define each other as equals. At this time the PA and Hamas have made it crystal clear, they will never accept anything but a Muslim majority state where Israel is so they can implement Muslim laws of dhimmitude which prevent Jews
from owning lands or being considered equal in law.

So you know-we won't agree to be erased as a national people or sit back while terrorists use their own civilians as weapons to try achieve that. We don't care any arm chair geniuses don't care. Its our damn lives at stake.

All that said Pooh in my references I define the rights of Palestinians and Israelis, Jews and Muslims equally in any formula.

So do most Israelis. The problem right now is Israel can not find anyone willing to state on behalf of Palestinians that they will recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Until that happens of course Hamas will continue empowered by arm chair geniuses saying they don't care. That is exactly what Hamas wants to hear.

This is not just a war of shooting in missiles or attacking civilians by tunnels-its a pr war. Each time Hamas gets a Western genius to say "I dont care" they feel its as valuable as any missile they launch. That is the very purpose of terrorism-to get people NOT to care.

 

Lucky for all concerned there's no ethnic cleansing.

 

The removal doesn't involve Gaza. Gaza is a prison. Removal has been going on for decades in West Bank as Israel continues to carry out its program of ethnic cleansing.

No, your comment about terrorist homes is absolutely NOT the case. For example, homes are being bulldozed in West Bank because the residents don't have ISRAELI permits, because there are plans for expansion by Israel, on the excuse that it is security, but the Wall goes up and down river valleys while leaving the high ground with little water to Palestinians.

Israel didn't steal the west bank of the Jordan because of terrorism.

What Israel is doing IS war as recognized by every nation throughout the world. Even Israel recognizes what it is doing as war. And, regardless of what Israel believes it has a right to steal from Palestinians, it continues as a humanitarian atrocity.

 

And all the troubles in the world are caused by groups thieving the lands of other groups. It's been going on since the beginning of time. So what happened to all the Christians in the former Byzantine Empire - which also included Palestine? So why did Mohamed thieve the Christian lands?

Look, I can't sympathize with a faith that puts control and ownership of land above the lives and welfare of its own followers. I'm sorry! And what's even worse, it's causing the Israeli's to commit hideous crimes because it leaves them with no choice other than doing what the Christians have been doing for centuries, and that is to leave Israel.

So tell me, where is the justice in this? What I see is one group wanting to triumph over another group at the expense of thousands of their own people. Now don't take what I said as a condemnation of Muslims and a partiality to the Jews? It's not! I find the Palestinians as being more a victim to their own faith and its desire for political gain, than to the Israelis and what they're doing.

 

You really need to dial it back to reality.

Nobody has suggesting splitting Israel apart.

Nobody believes Gaza or Palestine as a whole can defeat Israel by arms.

What's at stake is an end to the atrocities of this war and the establishment of the principles that America stands for - the rule of law, representation in ones government, religious freedom, rights of ones property, equality before the law, etc.

 

Palestinians want exactly what every other county has, and no more.

That's why they joined the UN and its legal and humanitarian groups. That's demonstrated by the PA and Hamas both stating the Israel is permanent - something they have been consistently saying for a couple decades now, giving up on the fact that Israel was illegally formed by an outside agency stealing their land.

No humans on Earth would tolerate without armed opposition the policy Israel is carrying out in Gaza and West Bank.

 

Its irrelevant whether israelis have lived in europe. Afrikkkaners born in africa are not zulu or shona. Its a distinct group not affiliated to ancient civilizations.

The moment you attempt to connect white jewish europeans to biblixal israelites iwill be on your case. Keep it context sensitive because you have no claim as a european to biblical israel, only as a colonizer.

 

You're going to get that armed opposition now, so don't be surprised if Israel bombs Gaza to kingdom come thanks to Erdogan. Gaza has made an alliance with the one nation that has made genocide and ethnic cleansing a way of life, and by doing so, cut into the resources and legal treaty between Israel, Cyprus, Greece and Egypt over the gas deposits in the Eastern Mediterranean.

By joining Turkey, Gaza is doing what Libya did when it made a treaty with Turkey to steal the territorial waters and the resources that legally doesn't belong to them.

"Ankara acted to invoke the 2018 "Security Pact" signed by President Tayyip Erdogan with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. This is a Pact that gives Turkey the right to intervene just as it intervened in the conflict in Libya.

This step, taken quietly, was approved by the National Security Council in Ankara last Wednesday, June 9th and published in turkey's Official Journal the following day. The agreement provides that Turkey's "Academy of Gendarmerie and Coast Guard" will train the Palestinian security forces:

The agreement continues to cover another extremely sensitive issue:

It links the Palestinians to the International Illegal Turkish-Libyan Pact aimed at the illegal distribution of eastern Mediterranean waters between the two signatories. Making the Palestinian partners of this "agreement" aimed at strengthening their claims to coastal waters from the Gaza Strip and further north with a view to expelling Israel from offshore gas and oil projects.
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Have the Palestinians given up on the right of return, because that is the problem A person would have to be very naive not to know that the high birth rate of the Muslims, is so they can become a majority, and thereby impose their own laws and institutions on others.

Anyway this doesn't excuse Israel for its hard handed methods - although it might be too late to remedy it. The hatreds have become too embedded in the Palestinians and Jews.

 

Read this today - Muslim riots in Paris. Wikipedia
The unrest started on 27 October... police were investigating a reported break-in at a building site,
and a group of local youths scattered in order to avoid interrogation. Three of them hid in an electrical
substation where two died from electrocution, resulting in a power blackout.
The incident ignited rising tensions about youth unemployment and police harassment in the poorer
housing estates, and there followed three weeks of rioting throughout France... The riots resulted in
more than 8,000 vehicles being burned by the rioters and more than 2,760 individuals arrested.

Here's a proposal. You think the Israeli Jews come from Europe and should go back. Good luck
trying to shift them BTW.
But we both agree that millions of Muslims have emigrated in Europe, and they cause a lot of
troubles there. What say we do a swap --

JEWS GO TO EUROPE, WHERE THEY DID NOT ORIGINATE.
ARABS RETURN TO MIDDLE EAST WHEN THEY DID ORIGINATE.

 

Quote - ' so they can implement Muslim laws of dhimmitude which prevent Jews
from owning lands or being considered equal in law.'

I was wondering about this, actually. In this case an improbable Hamas win over
Israel would see mass killing and expulsion.
People don't like to connect Hamas to ISIS, Islamic Jihad or the Taliban (and Taliban
will be coming to your TV news soon - a tiny taste of what a Muslim victory in Israel
would like.)

ps I am also 1/64 Jewish. A great grandaddy of ours 'left' Portugal in 1497 - expulsion
to England. There's probably some Jew in every person in the Middle East and
Europe.