Romania's last "dictator"

Apparently, the guy has a website dedicated to him and a Wikipedia page. My only defense mechanism is condescension.

http://www.ceausescu.org/

 

You look at what year was made that video.You are a liar

 

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Kraska do not afraid of saying here.

 

Politicians in Western Europe bad weather forecasters. Wind is always on the wrong side.

 

Americans love to kill.

Strange bunch.

 

The legend of Dracula comes from a much older ruller of Wallachia at that time, called Vlad Ţepeş. It has nothing to do with Ceausescu.

 

Janpor, I don't want you to get a wrong ideea about me. I'm not anti-democratic or anything. Democracy has it's advantages and disadvantages. So has communism.

However to belive that democratic goverments don't use propaganda in order to shape the mentality of people in the direction they want is plain naive.

All you will get on the mainstream media is just biased information. If you go to Russia or China or other communist inclined country will get things like... capitalism has taken every single right from the working man subjugating him to the greedy corporations.
If you go to a capitalis country like USA or France you will hear things like... the communist once again try to supress the people with terror.

Both of they are just stupid.

In order to get a real ideea about how thing are you first need to stop beliving anything coming from the mainstream. That means TV, videos, books or anything else. Try to go a country and ask the average man, the one that has to deal everyday with problems, that has to cut most expenses in order to survive the next day. Then try to think without being influenced by anyone.

And anyway democracy and communism are pretty similar. In communism we have one dictator that hold the whole power, in democracy we have a selected elite, called politicians, that hold all the power.

 

How convient that you ingnore the second video about "situation in 2011" in which the man says that under communism he wasn't one of the people that the government feeled that deserved a dacha.

Dachas were only for apparatchiks.

The man continues saying that life now is far better. Back in the day under USSR he had to hurry to shop to get a little bit of sausage of bad quality. Now, he has the choice of 100 types of sausages.

BTW -- countries like Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Eastern Germany etc. were always way better supplied than USSR. Russian tourists couldn't believe the luxury in some Eastern Bloc countries.

Anyway, the Russian man says that life NOW is far better. Only people who did nothing in USSR and were satisfied with 120 Roebels a month are now worse off.

 

You are fumbling in ignorance.......

Silly assumption. Makes majority of USSR citizens "apparatchiks".

Depends on the year he is talking about.

The guy is silly too. Happiness have nothing to do with "how much types of sausages are there in the shop". We call these sort of guys "kolbasnik" in Russia. We are lucky, that majority of them emigrated.

"Far" is extra. It is better in case of prosperty, but not in the crime level, for example.

Just stop disputing things you have no clue about.

 

Some citizens of former Eastern Bloc and Russia have this silly idea that Western-Europeans are agents of the USA. That we somehow are "wannabe-Americans".

No!

And may I remind you all that Communism, in essence, is a Western European ideology: Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, etc.

So the idea that Western Europeans, because they are Western European, have something against communism is just silly.

We all have studied it in high school and university or college -- we know what it entails.

Citizens of former USSR and Eastern Bloc don't have a monopoly on "understanding communism".

I hope the poster "DaftPunk" jumps in here too -- he'll tell y'all that USSR and Eastern Bloc was never communistic to begin with.

Kraska, forgive me -- but I'm a bit upset because of all the incivil slander I need to endure from the Russian posters.

 

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What a silly post indeed.

Of course happiness has nothing to do with how many types of sausages one has to eat -- although it points to a more important overall fact: monotonousity and scarcity in the USSR and Eastern Bloc.

The whole movement of "nostalgia" in former USSR and Eastern Bloc is understandable -- even more so for Russian citizen since y'all went, to use an economic term, from "boom to bust".

There is nostalgia in Western Europe too, if I may add. To the time of peace and quite, where you can let your bike unlocked, etc.

It's my belief a lot of Russians and citizens of former Eastern Bloc are nostalgic because of the erosion of society. You used to depend on eachother, and that is not the case anymore.

I very well know that I'm correct on this -- my thoughts on this didn't came falling out of the sky.

 

What were the living standards among "Ceausescu's Children"? My friends in Romania (outside Brasov) are now fortunate to have running water in their home. Until 2000, they did not. They lived a 19th century lifestyle that no one in the Western world has seen since, well, the 19th century. I've been many places, and I can't think of any place that has been worse in air quality than many of the cities in Romania. Except, perhaps, Mexico City.

Or, you could be like my very good friend who was told, at age 13 (in '86), that she was not going to get any more education. Her parents, seeing that she was an intelligent girl, managed to find a tutor for her, but her focus, she was told, would be on agriculture. She now has her own small business, works part time and earns a very good living for herself, speaks 7 languages fluently and helps her family in ways that she never could have under the great dictator for whom so many wax nostalgic.

I guess it's fortunate that the tens of thousands of children living in the streets of Bucharest could read. Maybe they could read books to the thousands of wild dogs.

So, many people, conditioned to the unsustainable welfare state that coddled them from cradle to grave and unskilled at economic calculation that anyone who grows up in a free society automatically gains, are suffering for the malfeasance of their former masters. It wasn't easy for the slaves in the postbellum American south who were freed from the plantations, as they no longer had someone to give them direction. Some wanted to go back to the simple condition of slavery, but would it have been morally right to return that institution? The answer, of course, is no.

 

I never said that West Europeans are USA's agents or wannabe americans.
What I said is that countries with similar ideologies like democracy with private property will allways bash countries with opposal ideologies like communism with public property.

So they both try to turn their people against each other. Sad isn't it?
But this is the truth.

Although the totalitar ideologies have their roots in the Karl Marx's theories the Germans nor any other coutry never adopted communism. The Germans fought against it with all its might.

Again you must understand that history taught in schools and universities changes according to the goverment in power.

If you really want to understand communist go to an ex communist coutry. You will find 2 types of people here. Those that hate it and those that see it with its good and bad parts.

Communist was Heaven on earth for the working class, for those that gained an honest salary. But it was hell for those that wanted to cheat the state and other people.

The problem today it that the second type is in power right now.

 

1.There are still hundreds of villages that don't have even the most basic services. Brasov had the fortune to be buit by the Germans and to be administered by them. And we all know what that means.

2.I really don't know where you get your information from but its either a lie or just stupidity. Education was COMPULSORY. You had 2 choises, school or jail. So what you said here is plain wrong.

3. Again where do you get your informantion from? Tens of thousand? The kids were taken in schools and then sent to work in factories.

4.To blame a system they never got for their wrong decisions is just naive. Most of them weren't even born at that time, because if that would have been the case they wouldn't be like this now.

 

Brasov is "Kroonstadt" (= German) or "Kroonstad" (= Dutch), correct?

 

Anyways, Kraska -- the fact that many villages and towns don't even have basic utilities shows the failure of the political class from 1945-1989: 40 years of mismanagment.

 

As I said, outside Brasov. In one of those villages without many basic services.

First hand information from a good friend with whom I lived with for a year and who grew up in that village I mention. There was no secondary school in her village and so for most kids, after age 12, there was no more school. For her, working in the fields was like jail, so I can see what you mean.

Again, first hand. Not only do I know kids who grew up in that environment, but I also know mothers who abandoned their children because they had too many already.

They never got collectivism? What did they get, then?

 

Yes, that is ideed the German name of the city, but I think it's writen with only one o.

 

1. How exactlly got this friend of yours got outside of Romania? Just a curiosity.

2. If those "mothers" had already so many kids, why have they borned even more?

3. When I said drug addicted and drunks, I meant punks from 16 to 20 years old. I thought you already understood that. So what has colectivism to do with them?

 

We have some, but the majority have been vaccinated against brainwashing. ( By-effect of Communist propaganda.)

 

This is typical propaganda movies. Someone lives better, someone lives worse. But the USSR is not measured by quantity of rooms and TVs in an apartment. First of all east block is idea. Idea that people can live disagree to laws of the wolf horde. Several days ago I looked the Cuban film. It's like the time machine. Cubans live poorly, but they are happy. My mother at 1946 being the girl has moved from village to Saratov. At 50s years she lived in a small room of 12 square meters in a barrack. Later at 70 - 80s having the normal apartment for the Soviet measures she always spoke a that the happiest years of her life have passed in that small room. You will not understand it.

 

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Well, actually I do understand.

All the Russians here should watch was gets aired by Western countries on their country. Recently a TV-series called "Back In The USSR" was aired on national television.

If you all want to, you can watch the 4 episodes here.

Most interesting part, politically speaking, was at the end of episode 1.

Fast forward to 43m00sec

The two journalists, Jan & Stefan, go to Duma to interview Sergei Markov (= Серге́й Ма́рко&#1074.

Sergei Markov is politician for United Russia, professor, adviser to Putin, etc.

Very interesting discussion.

Then small interruption in Dutch, in which both journalists explain that they go visit a company called "ShelPipe".

Then back to Sergei Markov, he then goes absolutely bonkers from a Russian perspective and he says: The situation in Russia is worse than people in Belgium think because [...]

Then is second episode, the two journalist go visit their old teacher who taught them Russian more than 20 years ago.

She is a very nice Russian lady.

She explains shows that Russia has changed ENORMOUSLY, as Eastern Bloc.

It's the erosion of society.

She explains: we now have iron gates, security cameras, etc.

Then Belgian journalists explain that they too are nostalgic to USSR times!!!

Anyways I'm tired of posting, I'm going to re-watch Episode 3.

 

I am glad we have reached consensus about your post No offense.

Ten why you have brought that "Kolbasnik" opinion.

Scarcity wasn't permanent.

Ah...finally I can say I agree on this one. Two main reasons are:
a) People childhood took place during USSR so it is about their personal nostalgia, common to the eldery and late adults, transfered to USSR itself.
b)The real nostalgia about safety and social relations, which was beyond our own and some "developed countries" too.

Just don't be short-sided, USSR definitely wasn't all bad, reality differs from Cold War propaganda.

 

If you want to understand the USSR and East block better, look other films. Everything with English subtitles.
Dramas.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JtTQSxuCXQ"]One-Two, Soldiers Were Going... (1976) (English subtitles). - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKXcG9341Nk&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL225AB92774E58CE1"]The Sky Calls (1959) (English subtitles). - YouTube[/ame]

About civil war

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfjzvyHhmqI&feature=related"]Chapaev (1934) (English subtitles). - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hsXoFS2cvY&feature=related"]The Commissar (1967) (English subtitles). - YouTube[/ame]

Short comedy film about guys which not lawfully made alcohol. Everything is understandable without translation.

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It's a pity I could not find mine favorites with English subtitles.