Ron DeSantis on Ukraine

Heh, sure!

 

Numerous governments have been scouring the world for functional Soviet/Russian weapons, vehicles and ammunition.

 

It shouldn't be that tough of a scour. They're all over the place.

 

Most of the munitions were due to be replaced? BS... prove that
"Munitions" is a huge field. Iron bombs and artillery are fairly low tech and can be compared to civilian products in manufacture. Javelins and Stingers cannot. Comparing the manufacture of 155 artillery rounds to the manufacture of care parts is most likely valid. Comparing the manufacture of a Javelin to a a civilian product is silly. Like comparing a number 2 lead pencil to the Hubble Telescope.
We don't have the fiscal freedom to just retire older equipment. Even stuff that is obsolete... we sell to our allies. If any effort was ever made to simply eliminate old, even very old, yet serviceable stuff, Senator and Congressmen from the left would scream out in righteous indignation about the "waste" and the evils of the money grubbing industrial complex.
The military can plan all it wants. Its getting the money that is the hard part. Getting increases in defense funding is more difficult than finding an honest person in the Biden family.

 

It appeared to me your stance on Ukraine was hawkish against Russia.

 

But the people of Crimea and Donbas want to be influenced by Russia. Maybe you misunderstand what democracy means?

 

Curious!

 

In the long run Russia will lose. The worst possible immediate outcome for both sides would be a quick Russian victory over Ukraine.
IMO, the best possible outcome for both sides would come from cutting off the now massive Russian invasion force, and negotiating for its salvation.

 

Eh OK. I guess we're not seeing the same things.

 

Yes, and they've been bought up all over the place.

 

The Russians don't see it the way you do. They've been trying to find diplomatic solutions for 15 years or more, but the US is intent upon encroaching upon their borders. The Bear is resorting to a military solution to a military problem created by the US. They are defending their country from foreign invasion. Just as we've done all over the planet since 1950, we employ military aggression. Paybacks are hell.

 

Nonsense. Because of past bad behavior by the Muscovite war criminals, their neighbors sought and were granted the protection of NATO, the western alliance. The Muscovite war criminals have only themselves to blame for their current predicament.

 

The war criminals run governments in Washington DC, London and TelAviv.

Russia is defending its borders from the incessant military aggression of foreign enemies. Russia has the moral high ground.

 

Not according to the International Criminal Court.

 

Although PF is freaked out by DeSantis' comments, actual voters may not care that much.

DC Freaks Out Over DeSantis’s Ukraine Comments; Voters Shrug

Several right-of-center politicians and commentators are outraged over Gov. Ron DeSantis’s latest statement on the war in Ukraine. The hawks accuse the Florida governor of showing American weakness. Trump accuses him of being too vague. Both claim his short statement threatens his electoral chances — a prediction which reveals a severe case of Beltway Brain.

...Campaigns almost never win or lose on foreign policy; post-Cold War, a slight advantage accrues to the dovish. The rest of the country is not nearly as invested in Ukraine as DC tastemakers insist they be. In general, Americans sympathize with Ukrainians, but they’re more likely to rant about the price of eggs than developments across the Transdnieper.

This upsets foreign policy wonks since voters should care more about the latter than the former. In fact, it’s a moral failing that they don’t!

Meh. The kids want eggs for breakfast, but they’re getting a Lucky Charms knockoff instead. Voters are busy with everyday life, not geopolitical strategy on the other side of the world.

I think voters should care more about the $31.5 trillion federal debt, but here we are.

In contrast, President Biden promised to back Ukraine for “as long it takes.” Sorry, Joe, forever is a very long time. The US made similar promises to our Afghan allies before chaotically abandoning the country in Biden’s first year.

 

Not a good look to appease the Muscovite war criminals.
I wonder whether he'll actually quote Neville Chamberlain and call it a "quarrel in a far away country, between people of whom we know nothing".

 

The ICC is every bit as corrupt as SCOTUS

 

That's a silly argument, and unlikely to persuade anyone, but you do you.

 

Before Russia seized Crimea I repeatedly argued on this forum that Russia was a European state and before Stalin/Hitler should have been part of any confederation of European states. Beyond that Russia is probably the only natural ally of the USA for many reasons.
But Putin has crafted a new Russian state that has become entirely incompatible with the West. I should have figured that out before Crimea, but it is obvious now. Russia has become China's new dolly.

IMO, none of this will end well for Russia.

 

No longer Russia. Now Muscovy.

 

I'm not trying to persuade anyone, least of all yourself. Stating that ICC is every bit as corrupt as SCOTUS is simply the stating of a fact. Many already understand that fact, but you never will.

 

Only Muscovite war criminals will support your claim.

 

Russia has always been "a prison of nations". The prisoners are very restless, and the guards are dying like flies.

“The atmosphere in which we are living is suffocating;;wherever you go there is whispering, plotting; everywhere there is blood lust, everywhere the stench of the informer, everywhere hatred, everywhere mutterings, everywhere groans....”[2]

the political atmosphere which Russia is breathing. To talk or think about law, legality, a constitution, and similar liberal na\"iveties in such an atmosphere is simply ridiculous, or rather, it would be ridiculous, were it not so ... serious!”

The government’s entire policy towards the Jews and other “subject peoples”—pardon me for using this “government” expression—will at once become clear, natural and inevitable if we face the truth and admit the undoubted fact that the country is in a state of scarcely concealed civil war. The government is not ruling, but is waging war.

It chooses “genuinely Russian”, pogrom methods of warfare because it has no others at its disposal. Everybody defends himself the best he can. Purishkevich and his friends cannot defend themselves otherwise than by pursuing a “pogrom” policy, for they have no other means.”

“In Russia, even according to official, i. e., palpably exaggerated statistics, which are faked to suit the “government’s plans”, the Great Russians constitute no more than 43 per cent of the entire population of the country. The Great Russians in Russia constitute less than half the population. Officially, according to Stolypin “himself”, even the Little Russians, or Ukrainians, are classed as a “subject people”. Consequently, the “subject peoples” in Russia constitute 57 per cent of the population, i. e., the majority of the population, almost three-fifths, in all probability actually more than three-fifths. In the Duma I represent Ekaterinoslav Gubernia, the overwhelming majority of whose population are Ukrainians. The ban on the celebrations in honour of Shevchenko[7] was such an excellent, splendid, exceptionally happy and well-chosen measure as far as anti-government agitation is concerned, that no better agitation could be conceived. I think that none of our best Social-Democratic agitators against the government could ever have achieved such sensational success in so short a time as was achieved by this measure in rousing opposition to the government. After this measure was taken, millions upon millions of ordinary people began to be converted into public-minded citizens and were made to see the truth of the saying that ***Russia is “a prison of nations”***.”
MARXISTS.ORG, V. I. Lenin, On the Question of National Policy,
Written: Written later than April 6 (19), 1914
Published: First published in 1924 in the journal Proletarskaya Revolutsia No. 3 (26). Published according to the manuscript.
Source: Lenin Collected Works, Progress Publishers, 1972, Moscow, Volume 20, pages 217-225.
Translated: Bernard Isaacs and The Late Joe Fineberg
Transcription\Markup: R. Cymbala
Public Domain (*** mine)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/apr/06b.htm

 

Fake News. He is in a agreement with the American People, given our current challenges, this is not a top US priority.

No it wasn't. That's how we backed into Vietnam, we started with "advisers" and ended with 58,000 dead Americans before we bugged out, and lost.



DeSantis served in our uniform.

All desperate pathetic lies, he did none of those things.

No adult sex shows for children.

That, from a Biden supporter?

 

I think the point of the story is that it won't be a factor in the Republican primary. According to most polls I've seen, the vast majority of GOP primary voters are split between Trump and DeSantis, who have similar positions on Ukraine. The war hawks, like Haley, Pompeo, and Bolton, are in the single digits.