Ron DeSantis on Ukraine

LoL.

If Kennedy had gone down, there would have been nuclear missiles in Cuba.

But I don't expect you to admit that, after all the Russians aren't so bad now.... especially since they have a real conservative as an autocrat.

 

If he didn't lie down there would have been missiles in Cuba.

 

Yes, but I'm still aware of what's happening.

 

The kind that pursues American safety above Biden's 'fight for democracy'. Desantis is absolutely right here. US foreign power must be flexed in the Pacific. We don't have any more time to waste on Biden's Churchill fantasies. By 2027, parity with China will have been achieved. And at that point, China will flex towards Taiwan and the other smaller Asian countries, and we will lose the navigational rights in the Pacific oceans.

The time is now to check the Chinese, and we lose that time with each second of the battle of Ukraine.

 

Kennedy actually negotiated an im passe with Khrushchev to end the Cuban Missile Crisis(via the missiles in Turkey), the kind of diplomacy that at present, we are incapable of. The Russian-Ukrainian war will only get hotter, the longer it drags on. And if more weapons are poured into the region, the risk is very real and fraught that the Russians will get nuclear. We already saw chemical warfare in Syria.

 

This war was not started by the US, Putin is the only one responsible.

Do you want a negotiated peace?

You will have one when it becomes economically and humanly impossible for Russia to continue to slaughter Ukrainians.

In the meantime, Putin is by far the most dangerous head of state in the world and it is unthinkable that the West will stand by while he destabilizes Europe.

Since the beginning of the conflict, Putin has not carried out any of his threats.

And yet, he is losing and his country's economy is being hit hard.

 

Sun Tzu's art of war: Know thy enemy, know thyself. The Russians literally as part of the USSR laid waste to the European continent, and it will not hesitate to do so to preserve its own national interests. To think that the Russian Military won't go hot if necessary, is a blindly optimistic assessment. So yes, I want a negotiated peace. In fact, it's the only outcome(something that's been advised to the Ukrainians for months now.). Even if we did give them US hot weapons, there isn't a guarantee that it would be successful.

It is something that would draw the Russians closer to geopolitically claiming that the US is in a war against them. So, unless you want to repeat hiding under desks, we have to get the Ukrainians to understand that neither we, nor the rest of Europe is going to die for some mid-tier European country.

 

I agree we shouldn't give them weapons to attack beyond their borders. But I disagree where he says Ukraine is not a priority. China is watching our reaction to Ukraine closely. If we take no action it will embolden China to invade Taiwan. The typically illiterate Trumptard would say "who cares about Taiwan" without realizing that it produces the vast majority of the world's silicon.

 

What would you have us do with another quisling?
Wasn’t watching trump bend over for putin for 4 years enough for you?

 

Lol…the historical ignorance among maga is appalling.
MacMillan thought that Czechoslovakia was just some mid-tier country when he let hitler have it.
How’d that work out?
You people need to stop parroting putin’s lies to placate your great orange hope.

 

Trump never "bent over" for Putin. Pure radical leftwing BS propaganda.

 

Who the heck is MacMillan? Are you talking about the Munich Pact entered into between British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and Hitler which gave the Czech "Sudetenland" to Germany and established "Peace in Our Time" according to Chamberlain? (Hitler attacked Poland shortly thereafter.)

This is a whole different situation. There was no NATO back then as there is now. If Russia attacks NATO territory we're off to WWIII.
But Ukraine is not a NATO member and has nothing of vital national interest to the United States.

 

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They aren’t soft on Putin. They are pro Putin. Anti American.

 

Putin is depleting our war stocks in cahoots with XI. When China invades Taiwan we won't have any ground systems left to fight China with but spitballs. That plan is quite obvious. Its so bad now that we are dipping into NATO POMCUS stocks.

 

Production - and production capacity - for weapons is being increased. That’s good in many ways.
And the effectiveness of certain material is being evaluated without American troops in harm’s way.
Finally, Putin is being weakened.
I find it astonishing that so many people who consider themselves patriots are so quick to take a position that is anti-American.

 

By accounts of most historians today, the British didn't really care about Poland either and most likely used Poland as a pretext for a war with Germany which was probably already decided by British High Command after the events of the Sudenland. So yeah, the idea that the Western Allies cared about Poland wasn't met in reality(surprisingly, the Poles took this rather well)

That history detour aside, what's even more laughable is the West basing foreign policy off of a victorious map of 1945, when we live in 2023. Everything, from the combatants, to the stakes are totally different. Any escalation of the conflict risks the potential of either nuclear or nato war or both. Such a war will engulf the entire European continent and will defeat the purpose of having gone to war in the first place.

Not only that, but the situation is not that of 1945, but that of 1914. When the escalation in Syria happened, there was equally a gathering of the Syrians-Russians along with the West, and luckily pressure here at the home front in the US made Obama back down and calamity avoided.

We're not so lucky this time. Mainstream Washington is in control, and she has put us back on the war path. It might be the desire of Raytheon and other military contractors to be able to furnish the war for their profits, but lives are at stake. The lives of Ukrainians, Russians and god forbid: Americans.

Given the enormity of the stakes, and the necessity of the US to preserve her economic and social strength there's no reason to participate in the Battle of Europe. There's nothing the Europeans have given us, now or in the past that justifies it. That, dear Europeans, is YOUR battle. The US has not been a colony of Europe since pre-1774, and it will forever remain that way.

US foreign policy must be of Manifest Destiny and from Sea to Shining Sea. Let me reiterate this clearly: Putin is not a consideration, Russia is not a consideration. Donald Trump is not a consideration. The only thing that matters is American Prosperity and American dominance, and all foreign policy must be conducted with that in mind.

America does not exist to combat the kremlin, it exists to serve its citizens. If they wanted the US to be a colony, King George shouldn't have surrendered at Yorktown.

 

You can't just go down to Wal Mart and pick up some F-16's. Ever been to the facility in Texas where F-16's are BUILT? It takes about a year to assemble all the parts and raw materials. Then the items enter a mile and a half long building and a year and a half later an F-16 emerges. You can't make it go any faster no matter how much money you throw at it. It takes that long to do.
Stingers and Javelins have sophisticated crystal arrays in their seeker heads which a also "long lead items" and take awhile to produce.
We are using up much of our war stocks and it will take a long while to replace the stuff.
We don't need a war to test our stuff. If you are really interested I can explain how systems go through "Bread Board" and "Brass Board" development then DT (Developmental Test) with engineers and evaluators then OT (Operational Test) with actual USERS. Eventually the systems are ok'd for LRIP (Low Rate Initial Production) and IOC (Initial Operational Capability) and finally FUE (First Unit Equipped). Our stuff works because we test it up one side and down the other. (I've done this stuff for decades.)
Putin knows he's toast if he attacks any NATO nation. He's safe attacking Ukraine. He's DONE if he attacks a NATO nation. And he knows it.
The China-Russian plan is to deplete our war stocks as much as possible so that China can expand in the Pacific. And its working.

 

My eyes too, are towards the Pacific. It is clear that the Chinese intend to swoop in and not only to take Taiwan but to firmly entrench her South Chinese Sea claims over the other smaller Asian nations. And while we're bottled up in Ukraine-Russo, we would have lost not only the tactical advantage but we would have lost the Free Pacific, a vital US interest since winning WWII.

America losing the Pacific would greatly diminish not only our military power, but it would diminish our financial institutions as well. The Pacific and the contested areas self-proclaimed the 'South Chinese Sea' must remain free. We don't have time to babysit Ukraine.

 

You’re right. I meant to say Chamberlain.

 

Then we never should have allowed Ukraine to give up its nukes.

There was always going to be a nuclear war then.

 

Did you sing that same tune when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

It's not for a mid tiered country, it's so Russia doesn't hold a gun to our heads for the rest of our lives. Why stop at Ukraine if threats is all it takes to get us to cave?
How does meeting Russias demands deinsitivise further land grabs by other nuclear powers?

 

Governor Ronald DeSantis is a politician attempting to climb on board the voter wagon which carried Mr. Donald Trump to victory in 2016. To do this, he's appealing to the fears and prejudices of that bloc. To what degree this mirrors his own personal convictions is unknown to this poor old country mouse.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

It could be that he is just pandering to the Trump-Tucker-DeSantis pro-Russia base. IMO its another error on his part (authoritarian policies is #1 error), but we'll see how its received in more moderate circles.

 

US troops are in Romania and Poland. Those troops should be redeployed out of the theater, ASAP.

The troops at Mihail Kogalniceanu Air Base are a 7 minute missile flight away from Russian forces. If Putin decides to go full retard, we'll be sending troops to Ukraine.

Take those troops out of that AO and we won't have to worry about that possiblity, as much.