Ron Paul simple did not get elected because the elite did not want him .deal with it.

great job of taking everybody to school here.

 

Now thats some REALLY funny stuff there.

First ron pauls policy is far different than what the CIA controlled media says it is.I have to tell people that all the time in real life,read his book,its NOTHING like what the lamestream media says it is.

yeah lets keep having presidents in there like romney and obomination and Bushwacker who will let the CIA run amok murdering ionnocent women and children in other countries all the time.

Paul is a patriot wanting to get rid of that corrupt organization the CIA.

The CIA brought over nazi criminals after the war to work for them.

do a google search called OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD.

they have a long history of starting fake and phony wars and murdering innocent women and children in other countries..

many former CIA agents have got out of the CIA and have written books about it saying they got out of it because of the atrocities they saw them commit and wanted no part of it.and you want them to STAY around?

oh and dont forget that he also is a true patriot unlike mittens and obamination also wanting to get rid of the corrupt FBI.

many FBI men have said they are asmahed to work for the FBI.to go acorss there and see J EDGAR HOOVERS name on the building.i guess they are loony as well right?

oh and while talking about nutcases,dont forget to mention bill o'reily,hannity and colmes,they are FAR bigger nutcases than Jones is.

oh and the LAMESTREAM media never does any real investigation because they are controlled by the CIA. congress did an investigation into the CIA'S activities in the 70's and discovered through the freedom of information act,documents that they have CIA plants in the mainstream media as well as workplaces

and you dont want them disbanded.

oh and your doing the same thing everybody that has come on here that denys there was a conspiracy,playing dodgeball dodging the facts on the opening post as well.like clockwork,never fails.same old,same old.

yep no conspiracy there by the establishment alright.

 

He has said things, clearly and without room for misinterpretation, that I disagree with.

Nice name-calling. That's helpful.

I support the resistance of the CIA, not all of it's actions.

I'm pretty sure that the USSR would have taken them if we hadn't.

Nazi scientists did terrible things to make their scientific advancements, but they did make scientific advancements, which may as well have been used for good.

That's terrible.

That's hard to believe.

Citation needed.

Call your political opponents names! That'll show 'em!

He's a patriot because just because he wants to get rid of the FBI?

Yeah, Hoover was not a good person. Neither was Christopher Columbus but that doesn't mean Euorope should un-discover America.

Alex Jones believes that the U.S. Government was behind the Oklahoma City Bombing, the 9/11 attacks and he believes that the moon landings were fakes. It's hard to top that without being schizophrenic.

You changed MAINSTREAM to LAMESTREAM! Clearly you are my intellectual superior!

Anyways, I don't believe you without a source.

And that was 40 years ago. I imagine that the people who were responsible for that are either well into retirement or dead.

That's because most of the proponents of conspiracy theories can barely figure out how to write properly, let alone understand what would have to go a conspiracy of that magnitude.

 

What do you propose ?
Pax Americana.
Lots of areas in Africa are in perpetual Civil War. Oh the humanity. Deploy American troops?
My tax dollars have purpose in America that is being ignored while America plays selective nation building.
I say, "enough" of that.

You are welcome to volunteer in the Ugandan forces flushing out paramilitary groups that enslave children.
Just don't drag me into it.
Where the uniform of Uganda.
Send your donations to some Ugandan charity.
Just don't drag me into it.
Enough Vietnams, Iraqs, Iraqs , Afghanistans, etc.
Let the Euros do it.

Moi

 

*existence

 

Just out of curiosity.

What do you think would have happened then if the American Public had overwhelmingly voted for Ron Paul? Hypothetically of course.


Do you think he would have been killed? Would the Electoral college NOT elect the will of the people?


Dont get me wrong, I certainly believe that elites control washington, and both parties, but I dont think they have the power to thwart the direct will of the people in that fashion.... yet.

 

For starters Israel would be shoved into the sea.

 

Thanks for coming on and making a reasonable post.so many of the posts on here are so juvenile and idiotic its a refreashing change to see one on here thats reasonable.

If elections werent fixed and rigged and he got elected,then no,I dont think the CIA would have killed him like thwey did Kennedy because pretty much most the country around doesnt except the lies of the fairy tale warren commission anymore.

they realise there was never a shread of evidence oswald did it.we know most the american people dont believe those lies anymore like some fools in america stil do amazingly,because even a broadcast on the corporate controlled news in a program that was endorcing the warren commission,admitted polls from americans show that 80% of americans no longer believe the lies of the warren commission anymore.

we know beyond a doubt the CIA did it because E Howard Hunt,who was a burgler arrested in the watergate burglery and was a covert operations officer for the CIA under Nixon when Nixon was vice president under Eisenhower,for many decades,independent researchers thought a picture taken in dallas that day of 3 tramps,that one of them was Hunt.

Hunt for decades,denied he was in dallas that day,changing his story many times over the years about his whereabouts.

Well just 5 years ago or so he gave a deathbed confession to his son that his son tape recorded of him CONFESSING that that pic WAS him and he was in dallas that day as part of a CIA covert operation to kill the president after denying about it for so many years.

That supports what two CIA officers said in the HSCA investigation said.as the investigation was winding down,two CIA officers came forward and said-WE DID IT,WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH THIS INVESTIGATION?

the committe of course did not pursue that lead since it pointed towards government involvement.americans were no longer buying the lies of the warren commission that oswald was the lone assassin so they set up a new investigation and even THEY admitted the warren commission got it wrong,that there was a second shooter in dallas that day.

despite that fact,people here on message boards as well as the government, STILL defend the warren commission.

Oh and the CIA even admitted just recently,they were indeed behind the coup to topple the leader of iran and assassinated him.too bad they wont come forward about the truth on Kennedy.

Harry Truman even said in later years that he regretted creating the CIA in 1947 like he did.He said that he had helped create a monster and that it was the biggest mistake he ever made as president,yet people want to vote for evil monster like Obama or Romney and keep having evil bastards like them as president decade after decade and then they call ron paul a fruitcake.

I dont thik they would have killed paul because since americans are awake now,there would be what they fear most,that the americans would get off their asses and fight to take their country back and we would FINALLY have a revolution which we are long past due that should have happendd DECADES ago.

I often wonder if the people that come on here and dont know that there is no difference between Romney and Obama besides the color of their skin,that if these are high school kids or younger posting.

Because I used to be as ignorant like so many posters here at this site are about politics when I was in high school as well. actually beliving the CIA was looking out for us and not realising how evil and organization it really is.

Truman created the CIA with the intention of it spying on other countrys and gathering information them and reporting that info directly to the president but it became an out of control agency the president has no control over.Truman never meant for it to become a policy dictating organization like it is now.

oh and paul sure would not have us in this fake and phony war going on in the middle east that both Bush and Obama have gotten us into and Bushs friend Romney would have continued.

 

The reason why most of us do not take him seriously is because it is all nothing but a joke.

Ron Paul supporters all seem to be the tinfoil hat crowd. Everything is a conspiracy, conspiracies are everywhere and they are evil and keeping the right people down. RP would have been elected if not for the conspiracy.

You go from Ron Paul to Kennedy and the CIA, and believe in the 9-11 Conspiracy and many others from what I have seen. Have you ever thought that it is not the conspiracy that is stopping him from being taken seriously, but the conspiracy theories themselves?

 

it's funny how the gop is making the same excuse

 

commenting further on this post.actually I got to believe that they would have assassinated Paul as well had he been elected somehow.They just would have been much more subtle about it than they were with kennedy.

With Kennedy the reason they killed him out in the open like they did instead of having something administered in his drink and kill him or something like that was because they wanted to arrogantly show off their power to the whole world how they could get rid of a president that didnt do what he was being told to do.

The president is just a puppet.If he doesnt do what his puppet masters tell him to do,they end up like kennedy.Jfk was stepping on some very powerful toes in washington not doing what they told him to do.

since the american people wont get off their asses and fight for their country and continue to ignorantly vote for the corrupt two parties,then yeah,the CIA would assassinate paul as well only they would poison his drink and the coronor would rule it a suicide or something like that.

Back then,americans thought there country could do no wrong,and would never do something like that to the president but NOW,at least half the country is awake and understands how corrupt our government really is and the atrocities they commit,so they would be more subtle about it than they were with Kennedy.

and of course they would continue to keep getting away with is since the american sheople wont do anything about it.the CIA would never let paul have his way and abolish them like Jfk was trying to do.

man its so naseating the ignorant sheople there are out there.its so disgusting for me to go everywhere and see these cluless idiots out there who just dont get it that there is no difference between the two parties with their bumper stickers that read OBAMA 2012 or Romney for president never realising they are pals with each other in real life.

Obama was their chosen one way back in 2008.Mccain was there just for show.Mccain and Obama did what their puppet masters told them to do and say.Mccain said he would reinstate Bushs patriot act if elected where Obama said he would abolish it and end the war if elected.

What does he do when he gets elected? He votes to reinstate Bushwackers Patriot act-err unpatriot act,and instead of ending the war in the middle east like he promised,he expands Bushwackers role,yep quite a difference there in the two presidents.

Obama like Bush,has very much pleased his puppet masters.

 

Okay. None of that answered the question though.


What would have happened if Paul HAD been elected, against the will of the washington elite? In your opinion?

 

read my second post after that I just posted above yours.

I now think the CIA "WOULD" have killed him just as they did kennedy since the american sheople have let this country become the police state that it has become for above reasons in that post on this thread.But like i said,just in a more subtle way than how they did in Kennedy.

 

Thanks.

I dont know that I believe that would have happened.

 

Turin
Consider the strange happenings we witness to control the political arena.
George Wallace. Well he would not have won but he would have disturbed the election. Shot!
Ross Perot. I say they "got to him" to self destruct or else.
The Warren Commission, a collection of very respectable Americans, they got to them too.
RFK. I am less inclined to include him but, it does fit.
Anyone who might upset the Apple cart is brought under control.
If Ron Paul was a likely winner or Rand Paul - I expect the same.

Moi

 

Too sad, Ron is a nice guy,.

 

George Wallace was a sad joke by the Dixiecrats, and had no more a chance of getting elected as President then David Duke did. And the same with Ross Perot.

Heck, just look at the history of Third-Party candidates in Presidential elections in the US. The last one to win was Abraham Lincoln, and that was only because he captured most of the failed Whig Party, as well as Northern Democrats. But 4 years before in 1856, the Republicans only got 33% of the vote (Democrat Buchanan got 45%, Know-Nothing Fillmore got 21%).

Theodore Roosevelt in 1912 got 27%, even beating incumbent Republican Taft with only 23%. But Democrat Wilson still won with 41% (Socialist Debs got 6%).

George Wallace got 13% in 1968, taking 13% and 5 states. And it did not help when his VP candidate suggesting nuking North Vietnam. Mostly he was trying to prevent the Progressive wing of the Democrat Party from putting Humphrey in the White House, and that much at least worked for him.

In 1980 John Anderson tried to split the Republican Party, but only got 6% of the vote, nowhere near enough to offset Republican Reagan's 50% share.

In 1992 Ross Perot got 18%, enough to split the Republicans and ensure Bill Clinton got the election.

In 1996 Ross tried again, but only got 8% of the vote.

The biggest success for any Third Party candidates in the last 150 years has been to act as spoilers when their party is split. Perot and Wallace are perfect examples of that. ANd heck, I find it funny that so many "Ron Paul" supporters try to link their hero with Ross Perot. The two are almost 180 degrees apart on most issues.

Ross believed in expanding the war on drugs, expanding the EPA, strong protectionism on trade, opposition to gun control, increases on fuel taxes, and had a VP candidate that was incapable of gaining any support at all.

No, all Ron Paul can ever hope to be is a spoiler that pulls off the kook fringe of the Republicans and Democrats. And I think they are both happy to see them go to be honest. I do not think the Democrats cried much when George Wallace won the klukker fringe in 1968.

 

How would that happen since we currently give four times the amount of aid to Israel's neighboring enemies than we give to Israel? Also, Ron Paul was one of the few to support Israel bombing the Osirak reactor in Iraq in 1981. He also respects Israel's sovereignty which is more than I can say for Obama or Bush.

Other politicians repeatedl tied Israel's hands when they tried to react. Ron Paul would have left them alone.

[video=youtube;_DqC2N197Js]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_DqC2N197Js#t=65[/video]

 

It may not be they don’t want to put their life in danger, rather they want the U.S. to get involved only in U.S. defense. After all, we are supposed to be a republic, not an empire. How and why is it our responsibility to stop civil wars. How would Americans have felt if other countries got involved in our civil war? There comes a time in which we need to respect our sovereignty and the sovereignty of other countries and let them deal with their own issues. We are not to be global police. It is not a matter of not having a spine. It is a matter of having a respect for sovereignty, our founding, and constitutional principles. We just have entangling alliances with none and commerce with all as our founders envisioned. It is not our responsibility to solve the problems of the world. If you want to do that, you should have joined the peace corp. Defending the U.S. is the only job of the U.S. military.

 

If you think today's USA is like Nazi Germany you either need a history lesson or medication. Either way please stop vomiting nonsense all over this board.

 

It appears you think it is reasonable because he agrees with you about a shadow government.

Do you have data to back up this claim?

Again show your work. BTW tons of evidence Oswald did it.

Tell me how the Vice-President is in charge of the CIA. Those people who believe those pictures included Hunt were simply wishful thinking, that "tramp" didn't look like him much at all.

Really? Can you post some of those statements.

Almost no one, including his wife, believe those are at all valid. He wasn't lucid as he died and his sons are trying to make money off of it. I hear there are tapes of mafia leaders saying the same thing. That is quite a coincidence....both the mafia and CIA killed Kennedy on the same day at the same time with the same patsy using shooters who must have been standing next to each other. hmmmm

Prove that.

No they didn't....they stated clearly and without ambiguity that Oswald killed the President. Their second shooter idea was based on bad evidence of sounds that has since been debunked. They found no conspiracy they faulted the Warren commission for being less aggressive about pursuing certain aspects.

No they defend the facts that the Warren commission got right. Like a single shot hit both Kennedy and Connelly just like the HSCA did.

Why should they lie?

Wow really? Evil? wow.

Ron Paul's followers couldn't rally enough people to get him the GOP nomination, how will they lead a revolution?

Here we have it....how is this not crazy talk?

Yes and then a cult leader filled you in?

If the CIA is so powerful how is it that you can still post such things

Yes and people rejected Paul's isolationism.

 

OK, let me make this really simple, I will make small baby steps, ok?

The US from it's founding has been a mercantile country, a trading nation. Do you agree with that?

As such, we have a responsibility to keep the ships and citizens of our country safe while traveling the high seas, do we not?

Now, I don't understand how anybody could dispute these first 2 statements. Even Thomas Jefferson used them as the justification to send the Marines and Navy to Tripoli.

And just like President Jefferson, we reserve the right to go after piracy when it endangers US Ships and crew, do we not?

OK, those were all pretty simple, right? Nope, not a single zinger among them, but hold on.

Does anybody else here remember the MV Maersk Alabama? One of thousands of ships attacked by Somali pirates. This is a ship that is registered in the United States, flies the US flag, and is homeported in Norfolk, Virginia.

And in addition to the incident in 2009 that the entire world say, has been the target 4 other times since 2009!

If you ask me, cleaning up that (*)(*)(*)(*)hole in Somalia is no different then what happened in the early 19th Century when the Barbary Pirates were cleaned out. You are going on about "empires". Well, the US is apparently the only empire that has given away most of the lands it conquers.

Of the territory conquered by most "empires" (and for this I include the Soviet Union), how many simply walked away from their gains in combat? Well, the US walked away from almost everything. Cuba, Philippines, Okinawa, Japan, Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan, even Tripoli (3 separate times if you count the assistance of NATO a few years ago).

Why Libertarians love to go on about "American Empire", I have absolutely no idea. We are not an empire, we are a trading nation. And trade demands a certain level of stability to be profitable in the long term.

 

you don't know what you're talking about

[video=youtube;GCxDrfs4GtM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCxDrfs4GtM[/video]

 

well like i said,the sheople just seem to ignorantly let the lamestream medis brainwash them and continue going out electing these evil bastards that are CFR members whether it be romney,bush,Obama,or clinton and waste their time protesting which never accomplish anything,so that being the case,since they have let the government get away with killing jfk all these years and dont nothing about it,in your opinion,why do you think the CIA wouldnt do the same thing to paul the way the brainwashed sheople continue to let this facist police state run their lives?

 

the official version of RFK's assassination is every bit of a joke as Johns is.Oh and you might want to some research on the members of the warren commission who were HANDPICKED by Johnson no less who wasnt even investigated who had more to gain from it than anybody.Those members all have very shady backgrounds.

Allen Dulles for instance being picked.That was like asking the fox to guard the henhouse.You just know Dulles was jumping up in the air clicking his heals together partying out till the middle of the night getting drunk when Johnson informed him he was going to be on the warren commssion.the fact he was going to be able to get the last laugh on kenNedy for firing him as CIA director and be able to rewrite history.

Im thinking Rand has been bought off and is now in the pockets of the elite and is part of that controlled opposition since he endorced romney which Ron being the patriot he was,stuck to his guns and never did.I dont trust rand one bit at all.If he ever becomes a CFR member,we'll know for sure he has joined the dark side. I already feel like doing this to rand since he endorced Romney and sold out his father and his supporters.