Russia on the brink of collapse

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  1. lunecat

    lunecat Active Member

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    I see Putin in the same light as Stalin & Stalin was never hanged in Red square.

    The Russians like to be beaten by their leaders, its in their nature.
     
  2. Jack Links

    Jack Links Well-Known Member

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    LOL!
    Maybe they're masochists. They even celebrate it with victory day.
     
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    On the proposal of Hollywood - a typical Russian looks.

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    Let's see how Stalin "beat" the population of the USSR.

    1. Population
    a) The number of Russian during the reign of Stalin increased according
    Census on average 1.3-1.5 million. per year.
    1926 - 113 700 000. (146 600 000. - The total population of the USSR)
    1939 - 133 million. (170.6 million).
    1959 - 159 300 000. (208 800 000).

    b) the overall mortality rate in Russia under Stalin fell almost 3 times.
    c) Addiction under Stalin was not, because there was no drug mafia.
    d) Prostitution under Stalin was seen as a form of parasitic existence, and its organized forms were completely destroyed.
    e) Immediately after the war, in 1945, around the Stalinist Soviet Union, there were 678,000 orphans. How many orphans in the United States today?

    Under Stalin, illiteracy has been eliminated. Literacy has risen to 89.1% (1932).
    Under Stalin, it not only managed to fully restore the welfare of the citizens after 3 devastating wars and multiply it several times, but, in spite of the war, 2 times to overtake the Americans in the growth rate. This is the toughest environmental conditions, and without any assistance.
    The total volume of industrial production per capita in 1913-1950 gg. USSR increased 4 times.
    The gold reserve. In 1920 reserves were 317 tons.
    By the end of Stalin's reign in 1953 the gold reserves increased 6.5 times and reached 2050 m.
    Since 1933 the unemployment rate in the Soviet Union did not exist.
    The real income of workers in 1940 increased compared with 1913 by 2.7 times, the peasants - by 2.4 times.
    In 1947, the Soviet Union, the first after the war of the states of the world, canceled a card system. And every year since 1948 - until 1954 - to lower prices for food and consumer goods. For example, here is the ratio of price levels as of 01/01/51, the prices for 01.01.46 r .: grain (39%), meat (42%).
    In Soviet housing was provided by the state free of charge, in perpetuity.
    The number of doctors has increased in 1950 compared to 1940 by 1.5 times.
    The number of scientific workers in 1950 increased compared with 1940 by 1.5 times.
    The number of scientific institutions in 1950 increased by 40% compared to 1940
    The number of university students in 1950 increased by 50% compared to 1940....
    And so on.

    Maybe you tell us what made Churchill for the British? We compare the results?
     
  5. Merwen

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    When I saw the second video I had to look it up to see if the girl had been blinded. No, but she has a scar on her chin and possible permanent damage to her lower lip, from the looks of it.

    That teargas is not supposed to be shot directly into someone's face. Her parents are suing,and I hope they win.

    I suspect the officer that did it may be a woman hater. It appears to me that he chose the most attractive female in the front line of demonstrators and deliberately tried to diisfigure her. I thought only radical Muslims did that sort of thing.

    I hope the blacks on this board see this and realize they are not the only ones being attacked and abused by police. Our handlers will run over anyone that opposes them.

    Wake up, everyone.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-protesters-shot-directly-with-tear-gas-1.3011873
     
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    Russia can improve its balance of payments just by exporting more of its films!
     
  7. lunecat

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    Stalin's atrocities purges, expulsions, forced displacements, imprisonment in labor camps, manufactured famines, torture and good old-fashioned acts of mass murder and massacres killed 20 millions of Russians.

    I read recently that the Russian population voted Stalin as the greatest Russian of all time. Which was odd as he was a Georgian & he killed so many of the Soviet population to keep his dictatorship in tact.

    I accept many of the Western leader are not pure as snow, but Stalin was a tyrant, worse than Hitler.
     
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    The main thing, a lot of people before retirement and a retirement age remember how they were really intimidated by the USSR.( west lie promotion) They trained ( how to put to a gas mask) to be protected from alleged nuclear attack from Soviet...
    west to present Russia and Russian as a land of deformity it too of course
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    It's pretty sad for the only nation on earth ever to have used nukes on another nation to cower in fear of having nukes used on them :D America is a funny ol' place.
     
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    We were the only nation smart enough to get them to work. Germany never did; and it took the Commies 5 years after stealing all of our knowledge to make one work. Be glad those goose steppers and commies never had them - they would have destroyed the planet. And if Japan didn't want to get their asses melted like butter, maybe they should not have attacked Hawaii. That would have been a good pro tip for those morons.

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    That was supposed to be English, right?
     
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    Stalin the tyrant, killed a lot of Soviet in ideological fight and in race for power. (when Stalin achieved these objectives, he started improving life in the USSR, to lift up economy. He managed it.)He didn't want to destroy all people. Hitler wanted to destroy some human races - completely. He killed Slavs, Jews, Roma...
    In Russia call World War II - the Great Patriotic War. The Great Patriotic War, for the Russian people was very heartrending experience. To Hitler any opponent - neither Napoleon, nor Karl XII, Poles at the beginning of the 17th century, etc. - didn't set a task of destruction of Russians, as ethnos as people, and Hitler came to destroy Russians completely. To provide a final decision of "the Russian question", and about 1941-1945 Russians battled remaining in the history, and won. And therefore those who tries to put now to Hitler and Stalin's one line it is simple b***it west promosion
     
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    Poor training more likely than anything else.
     
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    I wonder if they have the capability of nuking only the centers of the oligarchs from the West, to take out what is driving the economic attacks upon Russia? Destroy them, and you give us our republic back, and then we can be in debt to Russia for destroying our plutocratic, oligarchy, corporate state that has enslaved the rest of America. Russia could be a great hero for average americans.

    So the oligarchy that is American needs to keep it up, keep impoverishing the Russian people, until they have nothing to lose, and finally show America that you cannot act like you are somehow entitled to be an evil empire.
     
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    To me it was told by the elderly man in New Zealand - at school , They trained ( how to put to a gas mask) to be protected from alleged nuclear attack from Soviet...
     
  15. Merwen

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    Too much collateral damage.

    Besides, it is probably the upper middle class that is doing the most real damage, in their mindless efforts to maximize their masters' incomes.

    The problem is partly statistical. It is the result of an insufficiently politically regulated capitalism, as affected by the actions of thousands of stockbrokers, accountants, bankers, realtors, etc etc.

    If a system is not designed properly, the wrong effects occur.

    Admittedly, the ones with the actual wealth should be paying more attention, and some of them probably are...probably the wrong ones, who are tilting our laws and regulations to their own ends rather than the good of the country and all of its inhabitants.
     
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    This is called treason, FYI.
     
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    Stalin, at the end of WWII employed many of the same tactics as Hitler did to quell political opposition. Intimidation, prisoner camps, and murder. Just another tyrant.
     
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    They attacked a military base at Hawaii. Newsflash: The Michael Bay movie "Pearl Harbor" is not historical. Japan also had reasons to attack the US, contrary to what American propaganda has been saying ever since. We were interfering in Japan's war effort and we got our noses bloodied for it.

    As to the rest of your xenophobic rant, who developed nuclear weapons first is not relevant to my point. Other powers around the world have them, including "crazy" North Korea, yet to date it's only the USSA that's ever used nukes on other human beings, and on two urban centers full of civilians at that. Of course, the Brits were also good enough to do something just as bad to German cities, such as Dresden. Both nations should have faced war crimes charges, but alas, they were the victors in the war, and might naturally made right.
     
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    If you happened to be one of millions of american servicemen in 1945 or one of a hundred million of their loved ones you'd be cheering the government on to use the bomb to get that war over with ASAP. I you were in charge of the US government you'd have to decide whether to use the bomb and put an end to the war and the deaths of Americans which would be your constitutional responsibility, or you'd not have used the bomb and let the war go on indefinitely, possibly becoming responsible for hundreds of thousands additional american deaths.

    But hey, you or your loved ones are not in danger of being killed by a Japanese bullet, you are not responsible for anything or anyone, never was and will never be so it's certainly easy to run off your mouth, bash the country and people who 70 years ago in conditions that you can't possibly comprehend had to choose between the bad and the worse and feel so self-righteous about yourself. Get off that high horse of yours, you are not righteous, you are irrelevant.
     
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    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Japanese_War_(1945)

    The Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation,along with the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, combined to break the Japanese political deadlock and force the Japanese leaders to accept the terms of surrender demanded by the allies.

    In the "Sixty years after Hiroshima" issue of the Weekly Standard, American historian Richard B. Frank points out that there are a number of schools of thought with varying opinions of what caused the Japanese to surrender. He describes what he calls the "traditionalist" view, which asserts that the Japanese surrendered because the Americans dropped the atomic bombs. He goes on to summarise other points of view. [20]

    Tsuyoshi Hasegawa's research has led him to conclude that the atomic bombings were not the principal reason for Japan's capitulation. He argues that Japan's leaders were impacted more by the swift and devastating Soviet victories on the mainland in the week following Joseph Stalin's August 8 declaration of war because the Japanese strategy to protect the home islands was designed to fend off a US invasion from the South, and left virtually no spare troops to counter a Soviet threat from the North. This, according to Hasegawa, amounted to a "strategic bankruptcy" for the Japanese and forced their message of surrender on August 15, 1945. [21][22] Others with similar views include The "Battlefield" series documentary, [2] Drea, [17] Hayashi, [18]

    and numerous others, though all, including Hasegawa, state that the surrender was not due to any single factor or single event.

     
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    That the bomb and Soviet declaration of war was a double whammy for Japan is not contradictory and not in dispute....That being said, not a word in your post even if it was absolutely 100% accurate (which it is not as it's like "one researcher believes..." kind of speculation), contradicts my post in the slightest.....


    Do you seriously suggest that Japan would not have surrendered seeing 2 of its cities annihilated in a blink of an eye and knowing full well that Tokyo, Yokohama and Sapporo would most certainly be next? Come on, get real... and of course the Soviet declaration of war was the icing on the cake.

    and just in case you have any doubt:

    Japan’s Emperor Hirohito announced his country’s unconditional surrender in World War II in a radio address on August 15, citing the devastating power of “a new and most cruel bomb.”
     
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    Tokyo would not be *next* as it had already been decimated by incendiary bombs in March 1945 with no surrender forthcoming from Japan.

    Russia's invasion in August 1945 certainly had an impact and gives lie to your over the top notion that, without using atomic bombs, the war would have dragged on indefinitely. With the Soviet inclusion in the theater, the specter of a bloody invasion by America became much less likely/necessary.

     
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    Before war, the Soviet people started living well. During war or at the end of World War II there was a huge patriotic promotion. Therefore the Soviet soldiers went to attack with words - for Homeland, for Stalin... what you wrote it wasn't.
     
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    Really? I am afraid the American leadership in August 1945 have not had a chance to read Tsuyoshi Hasegawa's research and had to deal with the facts that were available to them at the time. They had the bomb, they believed it would end the war, they used it and the war ended.

    The US Government could not know in 1945 that a Tsuyoshi Hasegawa whose research you seem to confuse with the gospel would decades later actually know better than the Emperor why Japan surrendered. Japan’s Emperor Hirohito announced his country’s unconditional surrender in World War II in a radio address on August 15, citing the devastating power of “a new and most cruel bomb.” but of course you have no doubt in your mind that and the Emperor was wrong and an obscure researcher was right.... LOL

    This must be a joke, right? Tokyo lost 100,000 - 150,000 residents....a couple of nuclear bombs and it would have lost the remaining 1.3 million and be unsuitable for habitation for centuries.





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    North Koreans today sincerely believe that their standard of living is among the highest in the world.
     
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    No, they hadn't read a historian's research that hadn't yet been written. They did know a few things, though.

    They knew of Russia's declaration of war against Japan and its subsequent invasion.

    They knew that, with the previous island-hopping campaign, the US was in a position to bomb Japan at will.

    They knew an American invasion wasn't necessary, nor was the a-bomb, except to shut the Soviets out of a share of the victory.

     

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