Russia plans to register 'foreign agent' NGOs

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  1. Ostap Bender

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    Yeah That’s right pal. This bill is a bullship like FARA (Foreign Agents Registration Act).
     
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    of course Stalin was way more classy then Putin, but that was Stalin after all.
     
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    Hi mate,

    this bill is the best evidence for coming revolution in Russia. Kremlin getting more and more crazier.
     
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    The Link please to an analog bill of Stalin.
     
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    you can't read English, can you?... the point was Stalin did without "bills" whatsoever.
     
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    Hi buddy.
    In my view Kremlin’s the main provider of revolution. )) I told that corruption, crime, impunity and irresponsibility of top officials and businessmen, rotten legal system, irremovability of power have pissed off a lot of people. Those fing kleptocrats have to see a little further than the end of their noses.
    p.s. but frankly speaking they were borrowed many things from your FARA;)
     
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    yeah, like, you go for a walk and get mugged and beaten but i'd say it was you as the main "provider" of your misfortune because "don't go out late" etc.
     
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    I mean that dumb behavior of authorities provoke counter aggression. You disagree with it, victimologist?
     
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    what is 'dumb' here?... the protesters get what they deserve, because protests is what Russia has suffered the most from, for protests spawned unrest that only hindered Russia's development. Putin is smart that he treats the opposition accordingly.
     
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    This is the dumb.
    it’s hindering Russia's development too isn't it?
     
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    no it isn't because the above mentioned is not what keeps Russia going but merely a byproduct that doesn't play any major role in the life of the Russian State.
     
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    good joke. This fing kleptocratic regime is really killing Russia. in my view these guys're like British colonial administration. They have a good and profitable business in Russia but keep their money property and families in the Western countries .
    How many American or European top officials, businessmen keep their money in Russian banks and keep their families in Moscow or St Petersburg?
     
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    so far, i haven't noticed any 'killing' at all, let's not panic yet because moreover, Russia's living standard gets higher.

    that's an overstretch, for some do, some do not, and most of them don't.

    they have Swiss banks for that purpose. Russia has no decent international banks whatsoever. Finland will do maybe?... hey, why the hell these West officials don't have there bank accounts with Finnish banks, eh?!!!
     
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    you see only a “byproduct”?

    Yeah, that’s right only Russia’s living standard gets higher. Another countries especially US, Canada and Western Europe suck. Also you can start by comparing Russia’s living standard in 2012 with Russia’s living standard in 1913 and then you can relax completely.

    tell me pls why they live there? this “byproduct” that doesn't play any major role in the life of the Russian State pissed them off as well?

    Really? You heard anything about offshore?

    Why ? Another byproduct that doesn't play any major role in the life of the Russian State?

    May be they have decent banks in their own countries?

    And how many ppl from western countries emigrated to Russia and how many Russian ppl went to western countries? Why Russians went to America Europe and even Latin America?
     
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    how many have emigrated to, say, Norway?... that's the point ...they emigrate not to the West itself but to there new jobs they've signed contracts with. Russians travel all over the world these days, and those who i personally know prefer Thailand & India & Vietnam, not the West. Russians can do this only thanks to the fact they are better off under Putin's rule.

    just don't blame Putin that Russia has no international banking 'cause this is actually because the USSR had no world banks either.

    Russian officials do not live in the West because they in fact live in Russia as most of their families do.

    the comparison i make is Russia 2012 compared with Russia 1998.

    the reason why the West wants Putin to go, is exactly because the West is preoccupied that its own economy and policy may look unattractive if Russia is successful at the economy growth.
     
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    I guess a few ppl. And how many ppl emigrated from Russia to live in the other countries at all? Why they couldn’t find a decent job here? And can you tell me how many ppl from western countries emigrated to Russia?

    Sure, thanks to putin only Russians travel all over the world these days. Ppl from other countries can’t afford this luxury.

    I said that Putin alone is to blame?

    Russian officials don’t live in the West because they are still working here but some of them spend more time in western contries.
    Also many Russian top officials and businessmen like these guys (Zhukov, Shuvalov, Abramovich, Luzhkov, etc) have keep their money, property and families in the Western countries .
    And yes some of them like Putin’s “godfather” Berezovskiy live there.
    The embarrassing question - how many western top officials have property and keep their families in Russia?
    Btw you heard about Adamov case? What do you think about it? Was he working for the sake of motherland there? Or he’s just ordinary corrupt Russian official?

    yeah fing hard 90s. no doubt old drunk clown Yeltsin was worse than kleptocrat Putin. It's a good comparison.
     
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    Kremlin says that West keep trying to screw Russia, but they keep their money property and families in the Western countries. Is it a double standard or just barefaced bullship?
     
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    not many, otherwise i'd have noticed it... moreover, lots of those who emigrated, have now come back.

    they can find jobs in Russia alright 'cause Russia's never had such problems as unemployment, for in fact there's always been underemployment here.

    not many yet but their amount grows as they find jobs with companies in Russia.

    thanks Putin, we Russians have joined the rest in travelling the world.

    neither Berezovsky nor Abramovitch are officials, and they stay away from Russia in fear they may end up like Khodorkovsky... as for Luzhkov, he's an official no more, and he's got more property in Russia then in the West.

    none, and why should they? Russia has nothing to offer in that field.

    to say that is a gross exaggeration.
     
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    Do you have any figures?

    Well , why they decided to leave Russia?

    Are you sure?

    Yes I heard about it. Btw I hope you know thanks to Putin Russians got Nanotech, Internet, iPhone and many other good things.
     
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    They are former top officials. Abramovich was the governor of Chukotka from 2000 to 2008. Berezovsky was a deputy secretary of the Security Council in the 90s. Also they are big businessmen. Luzhkov is a former official as well. And he have a big business in the West too. And what about other incumbent Russian top officials?

    lol Another sick joke?

    Yeah. why should they? I guess they are afraid of “a byproduct that doesn't play any major role in the life of the Russian State” I mean crime, total corruption and stealing, rotten legal system etc. I suppose that Russian tops are afraid of the same things as well. It’s a reason why they keep their money and families in the West isn’t it?

    Good answer, sharik. I have some weighty arguments too. > Negative. To say that is not a gross exaggeration. It’s true.

    p.s. What about Adamov case? http://www.bellona.org/subjects/Adamov_case Is he a typical corrupt Russian top official? Or it was a provocation organized by CIA?
     
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    the West publishes only immigration numbers while keeping quiet about repatriation ones.

    tourism.

    yup.

    and why not?

    being a governor means nothing. Abramovitch has never been one of the Russian officials, and that's the point.

    he is wanted by the public prosecutor in Russia since long ago exactly for his activites in the 1990s.

    he owns more property in Russia then in the West.

    i've no idea, so feel free to enlighten me on that.

    they also keep there money everywhere they can, just like anyone does these days.

    the latter.
     
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    Sharik, Russian Channel One completely screwed your brain ?;)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4HE15EXhN4
     
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    nah, i watch Russia Today http://rt.com/ as the rest of the world does.
     
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    It's just the Russian leadership dealing with a RAT infestation. The Russians are fighting for their culture, their soul, their independence. They don’t want a “corporotocracy-meets-marxism” economic system, they don’t want the retarded and corrosive “progressive” (aka regressive) culture, they don’t want LGBT-supremacy-camuflaged-in-equality, they don’t want their old original culture replaced by Justin Bieber, Madonna and Ozzy Osbourne sodomizing bats, etc, etc…

    Besides, our glorious civilized West is now sodomizing targeted leaders in front of cameras by using the Al-Qaeda thugs (or Al-QaCIA/Mossad/MI6 or whatever they are) that they should be fighting in the first place so you can't blame Putin for wanting such laws right?

    One more thing, the US has the EXACT same law: http://www.cleanupwashington.org/lobbying/page.cfm?pageid=39 but we are talking about the "Greatest Country that Ever Existed(tm)" so they have the right to engage in "american exceptionalism" right?
     
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