Russia: Poor Election Showing Weakens Putin:

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  1. janpor

    janpor Well-Known Member

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    A Disappointing Landslide: Poor Election Showing Weakens Putin

    By Benjamin Bidder in Moscow

    On TV here, a YouTube clip is shown from a Russian poll station, and the guy casting the first ballot in the station zooms in from above inside the ballot box and you see a huge pile of ballots already inside. Clear fraud!

    :shocked:

    Even despite wide-spread fraud, United Russia isn't even able to win +50% of votes.

    Seems, that Communist leader -- Gennady Zyuganov -- might be right.
     
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    Russians don't know what true democracy really is, they don't even trust it. They have no experience with it. They went from Fuedalism to Communist dictatorship to outright dictatorship/oligarchy.

    They wouldn't know democracy if it slapped them in the face.

    They deserve Putin.
     
  3. KGB agent

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    Says it all about this piece of propaganda. It is seems that Yabloko is "The only truly democratic party" just because they are pro-US sluts, mostly supported by village philosophers and self-proclaimed "intellectuals".

    Of course it is a lie: "won 3.2 percent", in reality they won around 98% :mrgreen:

    If you won't be that brainwashed, you would say smth like:"Oh, so they won twice more then their main competitor", but, unfortunately....it is now "poor result" in your daily propaganda meal.

    Edit: And no, I didn't voted for them.
     
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    He will not believe you Komrad,Janpor unconditionally believe the teachings of mayya. :)
     
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    Oh, no, wait, let's wait until he will come out with "Russian inferiority complex towards the West" and "lack of self-criticism":mrgreen:
     
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    "Lack of democracy" they say....

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20111205/169371938.html
    Notice, that this a bit anti-ER article was written in "brutally controlled" state-owned RIA novosti.
    How could this be!!!???one!!!111 New York Times told me, that oppressive Putin's regime is butchering poor opposition!!11111one!1

    Edit: I don't support liberasts scum, higly concentrated over there.
     
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    True, there is always the janpor's logic has some curve(ness):mrgreen:
     
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    Moscow prepares for Russian Spring Revolution as thousands protest Putin's election fraud
    Publication time: 5 December 2011, 23:33

    Several thousand people turned out on this cold and rainy night to protest what observers and opposition leaders say were rigged parliamentary elections that gave a fraudulent victory to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and his ruling United Russia party.

    As an icy rain fell, an initial crowd of hundreds who gathered on a tree-lined boulevard for a sanctioned rally swelled to as many as 10,000, as chants of "Putin out!" and "Russia without Putin!" rang out.

    The protest is thought to be the largest Russian opposition rally in years.

    Widespread displeasure with Putin and his party has surrounded the December 4 poll, which the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) said exhibited "limited political competition and a lack of fairness."

    The independent Golos election watchdog organization also said that it had received more than 1,500 complaints of electoral violations and been the subject of targeted harassment from government authorities.

    Opposition leader Vladimir Ryzhkov, who spoke at the protest rally, said the official results could not be considered legitimate.

    Vladimir Ryzhkov spoke at the opposition protest in central Moscow.

    "About 10 to 15 percent of the votes were the result of ballot box stuffing, falsifications, and the rewriting of protocols. United Russia's real result is no more than 35 percent, maybe even less than that," he said.

    "They have the most catastrophic situation in cities with a population of over one million: they got 20 to 25 percent there, at best. So, this is a failure," Ryzhkov added.

    Even with the claims of fraud, the more than 49 percent United Russia is said to have won represents a significant drop from the last election, when it claimed 64 percent of the vote.

    This year, three parties split the remaining vote: A Just Russia, the Communist Party, and the Liberal Democratic Party.

    Our correspondent reported seeing several thousand protesters crowded onto the boulevard that stretches away from Moscow's Chistye Prudy metro, with some people climbing fences to better hear the speakers. Among those who rallied the crowd were the anti-corruption blogger Aleksei Navalny, writer and liberal Dmitry Bykov, Evgenya Chirikova from the Save Khimki Forest movement, opposition leader Boris Nemtsov, and Solidarity Youth head Ilya Yashin.

    Nemtsov called the election "a crushing defeat for Putin and his party of swindlers and thieves," and said there have been 'thousands [of reports] of falsification facts, of 'carousel' voting, [and] stuffed ballot boxes."

    "We're now starting a campaign to open a criminal case against these vermin. They stole 13 million votes from us. In Moscow they didn't even get 25 percent but drew up 46 percent for themselves. Our observers across the whole country traced total violations. So [United Russia leaders] can conduct themselves however they like, but no one believes them at all."

    Among the protesters was Anna, a 22-year-old student, who told RFE/RL. "We came here because the results that they have given us are an insult and it's an insult to us that our vote didn't play a role."

    Twenty-eight-year-old Gennady, who works in marketing, said he came out to register his lack of faith in the election results.

    "We decided to come here because we observed how things happening yesterday and last night, we watched all the videos on YouTube showing all this falsification and ballot stuffing, we've seen that there are pens at polling booths that have disappearing ink in them and all these things," she said. "We asked our friends, our relatives and their friends who they voted for and none of them said United Russia -- and still we get this fantastical result. We came here today to support people like us who don't agree with this result."

    Police in riot gear detained an unknown number of protesters. At one point, hundreds of people who had begun marching toward the Central Elections Commission were stopped and taken away in buses.

    Western correspondents reported seeing dozens of police buses and riot police in helmets and batons forcing apart protesters who had interlocked their arms.

    Amnesty International issued a statement this evening criticizing what it said were at least 300 arrests made over the weekend and calling on authorities to release everyone in custody.

    Nicola Duckworth, Director of Amnesty International's Europe and Central Asia Programme, said, "These disgraceful detentions highlight once again the failure of the Russian government to respect its citizens' rights to freedom of expression and assembly."

    The election and protests come just three months before Russia votes for a new president, with Putin still the odds-on favorite to win.
     
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    Fail in the first statement. 30 seconds lost for Ctrl+C--->Ctrl+V.
     
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    You are right .
    I meant ,
    ALL OF RUSSIA prepares for Spring Revolution as MANY thousands protest IN MOSCOW at Putin's WIDESPREAD election fraud


    It's good to see that you have changed sides now that you see the writing is on the wall .
     
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    Janpor,

    EU and America have now an uncial chance begin to work with the Russian Nationalist who wishes the True Democracy for Russia twenty times more as corrupted Putin's Regime it do.

    All Parties in "Duma" are Putin's puppets and possess zero really power.

    No one can predict that Putin's Regime will survive longer as one year, therefore EU and USA should begin now to work together with moderate Russian Nationalist, now is better as later.


    Look here:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/russi...ians-support-putins-party-thieves-crooks.html
     
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    Hopefully it will be something changed very soon.
     
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    I am on my own with this one , but I want Boris Berezovsky to fly back to a rapturous reception and then bring all Russians undreamt of wealth ,( of course it will never happen , but his brain is a hundred times more savvy and more clever than the nutty one owned by Vlad the Bad ) .
    He dragged Putin up from the Political "gutter" and when told by Boris that they were going to make Putin the next President , the little one turned white , wanted Boris to take the nomination and said he would be happy to run Gazprom .
    The wretch ended up getting both positions and now he and his cronies have milked Gazprom for billions . God knows how many billions .
    Check out Gazprom Board members and die of shock!!!!!
     
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    Berezowki-Putin-Oligarchs-Jeltsin - it was one team.
     
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    Consider this , OB .
    Boris was the kingmaker and a very savvy guy -- far more clever and westernised than every other person covering up Yeltsin's collapse .
    But when he and Putin fell out over the sinking of the Kursk and then Putin's insistence on starting a second Chechen war -- they became enemies forever .
    I am frankly amazed that Boris has managed to stay alive so long .
    Boris is like Saakashvili -- part Westernised and part Russian/Georgian .
    They are the type of people this part of the world desperately needs --- in a totally different league to those around them .
    But , as you know , the Putin mentality loathes them , and will do anything to eliminate them and they have been demonised for the ordinary Russian .
    Youngsters are taught that these guys are evil and robbed their countries but they have no idea of what actually went on .The truth is a million times different and more complex .Amazingly for Putin , with an estimated personal wealth exceeding $100 billion , it is strange that the Russian people do not take him into the streets and slaughter him , just as they killed Ghadaffi in Libya . Perhaps that will come in a year or two
     
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    INTERFAX - The elections to the Duma confirmed the stability of the political system of Russia, trying to shake its doomed to failure, according to first deputy head of presidential administration, Vladislav Surkov.

    In an interview with writer and blogger Sergei Minaev, which he posted in his LiveJournal, Surkov on Monday responded to the question whether it is satisfied as a political consultant, the election results.

    "The system works. The democratic institutions work. This is the main thing. I do not consider themselves political strategists. Politics has always been a sphere of the passions, rather than technology," - said a spokesman for the Kremlin.

    He is convinced that Russia ahead of the "new stability".

    Surkov said that the Duma was created "by the fourth ruling majority" and that "United Russia" maintained dominance and a much more modest terms of popularity, "but then" the political system worked smoothly. "

    "So now there is no doubt - the state institutions are strong and stable. Attempts to destabilize the situation and interpret it in a negative and provocative way - doomed to failure. Everything under control" - Surkov said.

    Anti-Russian scumbag should be put up - a scenario developed by the West, Russia will not work.
     
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    You don't tell us whether you disagree or find this highly amusing nonsense funny -- even though it is also sad and rather frightening .
     
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    Do not tell us if you do not understand about in the inner-political situation in Russia.
    Do not expose your desire for the real situation.
     
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    If you follow the Topics in this section , it should be readily apparent that my detail knowledge in this area is exceptional .I have been aware of the"real " situation probably longer than you have lived .
    So my original question remains .
     
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    To say so you have to live in Russia and see the mood of people.

    Russia will develop its own path and you (West) do not worry.
     
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    Stop behaving as though you live on another planet and in total denial of your reality .
    You are a very close neighbour and my daily life is affected by the madness of the people who run your country as personal property .
    I also want to know everything about a bunch of Gangsters who have the potential to damage my country or other countries where I have friends , family and business contacts .
    We are a Global City now, Hugilanim, whatever crazy other theory you may have .
    Also , I have many Russian friends and acquaintances in Russia whom I value . I learn from my visits , being aware of professional commentators ( many of them Russians ) and listening to professional acquaintances living and working in Russia .
    In fact I would not be surprised if I knew more about your country than the vast number of its own citizens .
    Your attitude is incredibly old fashioned and simplistic .
    And whether you like it or want it , Russian people will and want to be helped by outsiders . Not controlled and manipulated as Americans invariably do . But helped through care , kindness and humanitarian consideration .
    Move into the new century and stop behaving like a cave man .
     
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    Russia self-sufficient country and does not need help.
    On this occasion about it yesterday Medvedev said - "they are trying to influence, they can write to us and the constitution?"
     
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    I don't think Medvedev is Russian .
    He is Putin's lieutenant who simply gives the Gazprom HQ official joke response on behalf of the Gang Master and his other Mafia cronies .
    Incidentally , Russia is imploding just from its population decline and soon bits of the Federation will go solo .You are far from self sufficient and your Banks were down rated two days ago .
    As for people writing to Gazprom . What planet are you on ?
     
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    HaHaHa,

    99 % of all your goods are imported from China, India, Europa, USA, your Putin has completely destroyed your manufacturing and extremely successful transformed Russia to a Banana State with Gaz.

    You have nothing anymore, everything is from us, even potatoes!
     
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    Putin on Wednesday handed over by the Central Election Commission of documents for registration as a presidential candidate in the upcoming March 4, 2012 presidential election.

    I think that with the advent of Putin in Russia cleans with the agents of Western influence.
     

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