Russia retaliates after pilot is killed in rebel-held Syria. (Comments on YouTube)

Stop just stop! sheez I don't have time to go through all of this propaganda so will address two

1. the source is fine besides there are many other sources.

2. The area referred to in the article is Eastern Ghouta AND Idlib... Russian jets are pounding rebel held areas.... besides it's not about where the plane was shot down anyway it's about

the rest is all excuses to commit mass murder and genocide

 

Yes, and there are many vested interests too? We're talking about 'the fog of war' here??

Whilst my comments on this thread have been of a general nature, a plane could be struck by a missile in Turkey and crash in Syria. Who's to know, and who's to say? Oh, and the West doesn't know the difference between a 'rebel area' and 'a jihadist stronghold'.

So apart from him wanting to 'commit mass murder and genocide' of jihadists, give me one good reason why Assad would want to do all that to civilians? Just one?

 

well duh because they rebelled against him... can you at least make it bit more challenging next time

 

Depends upon which narrative you believe; you obviously believe Washington and London's: personally I'll go with my own, which is 'Syrian subversives and jihadists joining forces to take the country over as a caliphate, and Assad trying to not allow them to.'

 

There is no clear evidence Assad did use Sarin or Chlorine. On the contrary there is independent evidence he didn't (post no.12).

The contrary evidence for the 2013 alleged Sarin attack was so strong it halted Obama's planned allied air campaign against Syria (HERE), when Britain's MoD lab at Porton Down lab analysed the Sarin used in Ghouta, they concluded it didn't originate from Syrian military stockpiles.

 

I think what gave it away.... is because they are referred to as rebels

 

Zebra... striped horse.... you know their stripes are all different... like fingerprints.

There's plenty evidence... it's being dealt with... discussed at the UN... argued over... denied by Russia and Assad.... no matter what post no. 12 says

 

Sorry Witchy but you've obviously succumbed to neuro-linguistic programming, and there's no hope for you! But don't fret because you're way, WAY in the majority.

 

I didn't know that - they all look exactly the same to me!

 

If that is the 'freedom' you fight for, you need to understand that most people of the world would be not accepting it. I have the time to discuss the basic issues. If you don't have time - don't discuss or make a single undisputable argument. So far I saw only a link to an official American propaganda justifying the presence of their military bases in the territory of Syria.

You just believe this source and want this information to be true. You have a demand for that. So you have a supply. Lots of people around the world want all the people to unite in belief to Allah and Muhammed. They also have a supply for their desires. A growing one.

My position is that the source of yours is pure propaganda and I haven't seen any other sources of yours. When you have enough time to come up with the second one - you are welcome. But make sure that I find the time for cross-checking between the 2.

The facts are about Ghouta. If there is a flood in Washington I wouldn't think that there is the flood in San Antonio and Los Angeles. Geography rules!

I don't need an excuse. I haven't done anything bad. I haven't blamed anyone in things they haven't committed. Assad wants power being supported by a great deal of Syrians. The rebels want power having their share of support. This is their equality. Assad agreed for elections. Rebels want Assad leave. This is their difference. Without elections and peaceful mechanism for power establishing the war would continue. And killing all those who oppose it is an option. However lots of brainwashed people over the world unwillingly and not knowing support the war to continue. You are among them. And killing more people over the world then there are in Syria is not a sane choice.
Russia wants influence and safety with economical opportunities from the solution of Syrian conflict. US wants the same. This makes them equal. But Russia has an official invitation from official power of Syria and US still cannot decide who is its supporters and allies. Not long ago US was supplying ISIS with weapons (by mistake, of course). Then they supported Turkey. Then they supported kurds. Etc. That is the difference. So the US either doesn't understand its aims or simply doesn't tell its aims to its own citizens being afraid of scandals and huge losses in politics and economy. This is the difference. The only way to solve the difference is an open dialogue. Russia is ready for it. The US uses any chance and provocation not to get to the one.

If you and millions of westerners really wanted peace and freedom you would simply demand it and thus receive. But it is you who want the blood of Syrian children, war with Russia and China, death for those who don't agree with you. Small wonder that these desires meet the resistance.

 

Parry's November article in post no.12 quotes specifically from Annexe II of the UN report on the April 14, 2017 alleged Assad Sarin attack "proved Assad's innocence" - because 100 victims of that alleged gas attack arrived for treatment at hospitals before the attack happened.

"There's plenty of evidence... being dealt with...discussed at the UN"? So, none of that "plenty of evidence" available yet then?

But he's guilty anyway?

 

Unlike you I come from a war-torn country where US meddled. So I'm talking out of experience. You talk out of your feelings and not out of experience. You say Australia needs US in this hostile world, well your partner US was just what you blame Russians for 20 some years ago. You live in a hostile world because you and your partners choose to live in that world. Why is not Finland, Norway, Switzerland and many other countries in a hostile threat?
It's pretty obvious that you´re a typical brainwashed westerner that falls for everything the media says. Remember that there would not be any civilian casualties if US and the West did not start funding the different groups. And I bet that there will be another "arab spring" somewhere in the middle east that US will have first row seats, just randomly like that.

 

Well first of all... you don't really know anything about me and secondly you seem to bear a grudge towards the US therefore I very much doubt you are able to be objective.

The rest of your post... about choosing to be hostile... brainwashed..... Us instigated Arab spring is merely your opinion and one I don't share.

 

Assad is many things but innocent is NOT one of them.

 

Yes indeed to fight to save your own nation is really sick, sick, sick.. Who in the hell does pres. assad of syria think he is? What nerve! To try to save your nation from religious driven terrorists is such a horrible, evil thing! I wonder if trump would fight to save america from an invading force, financed by russia and china? No, of course not for then he would be just like assad!!

 

look vvvv it's all opinionated nonsense... the typical ... blah blah the source... blah blah it's not really happening. I went through your post and it's all crafted out of thin air... good job for taking the time to put it all in a post though.

 

Spare me the indignation. Assad was fighting ISIS for almost SEVEN years... yet the fighting is worse than ever with a new wave of human refugees.

What happened in Sochi... the so called Russian peace initiative that came after Putin travelled around Syria declaring the war over and a withdrawal.

Is this what Russia called a war won.... as far as I'm concerned this development only demonstrates the US cannot leave Syria because the Kurds will be slaughtered in the same fashion as Syrian rebels.

 

Guess what? Bad news! Whenever any nation fights to rid itself of terrorists it creates a refugee problem. Would you believe it!!! People who have terrorists embedded within their population will flee when these terrorists are attacked. It makes people like you holler about the refugees. I guess assad should just allow these strong holds to remain? So they can run and attack him and then flee back to where the citizens are? Give me a break. Rationality seems to have left you.

 

You mean whenever a dictator slaughters his citizens to rid himself of a rebellion... clearly Assad is taking care of the refugees and the terrorists in one move by killing indiscriminately... less terrorists less refugees....how very humane of him

Again it serves as an example of exactly what the Kurds can expect from him... the US absolutely need to remain in Syria

 

For him to intentionally to slaughter his citizens is nonsense, unless they are a part of the terrorists.

He attacks the terrorists. If citizens get killed that is on the terrorists for not allowing them to flee. This is an old game played in war, to do what the terrorists are doing to get sympathy and to make assad look like a psychopath. You should not have been so easily fooled.

 

Da, comrade. No doubt the pilot died valiantly for Mother Russia and the name Putin was on his lips as he lay dying in a pool of his own blood.

You do realize, of course, that many infantrymen would consider it "an unequal battle" to be strafed and bombed by an SU-25.

 

It doesn't take tons of brains and hours of work to make a post like that. Unfortunately the pattern you follow takes seconds and no thinking at all, so your kind of messages prevails in the Internet creating an image that everyone thinks like that and as everyone knows 'everyone cannot be mistakening'.

The pattern is:
1. Look at the site 'bad-guys.org'. This guy is bad.
2. Watch what people are saying - this guy is bad.
3. They said on the TV that the world must get rid of the bad guy. Hooray!

The only thing to rule the masses of people is making a web-site, waiting for some days or hours (depending on complexity of the change of opinion and come up with a military solution. Much easier than ruling masses in medieval times, I would say. Cheap and reliable. But what would happen if you see your name in the list?

 

You know what would have been really impressive... if you picked up on the sarcasm when I said good job for putting it in one post

Russia doesn't have a ******n clue what's going on so no wonder you don't know about chemical weapons used... even Mattis says so...

 

In the world of twits and SMS half of which is LOLs and smiles of any kind big posts look boring and overcomplicated. Unfortunately most people don't like to think at all, but certainly want to think of themselves as clever and good-natured people... Yes. I prefer the big posts. You can't explain anything in a short message. You can only trust and repeat the message imprinting this propaganda in your own and others' brains.

The thing with this quote goes back to times when ISIS was still seen as a state. Those days the US told that there is ISIS (bad guys) and 'rebels' (good guys) and when Assad (bad guy) leaves then the good guys will take away the bad guys and democracy wins. Russian diplomats officially asked (kindly) the US officials to separate the bad guys (ISIS) of the good guys (rebels). This task has never been completed and Russian note that the US doesn't understand anything happening in Syria became quite well-known. These words and the victory of bad guy over bad guys insulted the americans a lot. And when a bad guy (Assad) defeated the bad guys (ISIS) there were not very much excuses for americans to prove their presence in the region... So the words of Mattis is a very cheap response in a long quarrel and not any serious analytics or information.

 

His last words were 'eto vam za patsanov!' ('this is for the friends!').

A fair battle... Well. Do you find it fair to cut the heads of kneeled and tied armless men and women whose only fault was having different beliefs?

It's a war and the attack on SU-25 was well-planned. The guys knew the route, attacked on the way back, they had people, video equipment, cars... This SU-25 came to a trap and the major was planned to be captured alive and shown as an aggressor and coward in videos over the Internet. He chose a different way as a warrior making all of these useless. A great man.