Russian Defense lines collapsing in Donetsk Oblast.

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    Lyman will be encircled soon if it is not already.
     
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    The West should hunker down against Putin’s latest aggression
    Opinion by David Ignatius


    ". . . The right strategy now is an updated version of the Cold War approach of “containment.” Draw firm lines. Help Ukraine inflict as much pain on Putin as possible while continuing to avoid a direct U.S.-Russian conflict unless Putin takes the mad step of going nuclear. Let the rot in the Russian system take effect, weakening Putin month by month. Encourage the disintegration of Russian power along its borders — by welcoming Finland and Sweden to NATO and the growing independence of countries such as Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Kyrgyzstan. Exploit the growing tension between Moscow and Beijing. . . ."
     
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    upload_2022-9-30_9-28-6.png Reuters
    Putin proclaims annexation as Russian garrison surrounded in Ukraine
     
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    Ukraine Conflict Updates
    Key Takeaways



    • The Kremlin continues to violate its stated “partial mobilization” procedures and contradict its own messaging even while recognizing the systematic failures within the Russian bureaucracy just eight days after the declaration of mobilization.
    • Belarus may be preparing to accommodate newly-mobilized Russian servicemen but remains unlikely to enter the war in Ukraine on Russia’s behalf.
    • Ukrainian troops have likely nearly completed the encirclement of the Russian grouping in Lyman and cut critical ground lines of communication (GLOCS) that support Russian troops in the Drobysheve-Lyman area.
    • Ukrainian military officials maintained operational silence regarding Ukrainian ground maneuvers in Kherson Oblast but stated that Russian forces are deploying newly-mobilized troops to reinforce the Kherson Oblast frontline.
    • Ukrainian troops continued to target Russian logistics, transportation, and military assets in Kherson Oblast.
    • Russian troops continued ground attacks in Donetsk Oblast.
    • Russian forces have likely increased the use of Iranian-made Shahed-136 drones in southern Ukraine.
    • An independent Russian polling organization, the Levada Center, found that almost half of polled Russians are anxious about mobilization, but that support for Russian military actions declined only slightly to 44%.
    • Ukrainian officials reiterated their concerns that the Kremlin will mobilize Ukrainian citizens in occupied oblasts following Russian President Vladimir Putin’s annexation announcement. . . .

    Russian sources indicated that Ukrainian troops have likely completed the envelopment of the Russian grouping in the Lyman area as of the end of the day on September 29. A prominent Russian military correspondent reported that Ukrainian forces broke through Russian defenses around Stavky, 10km north of Lyman, and cut the Torske-Drobysheve road that is the last supply and egress route for Russian elements holding the line west of Lyman.[14] The correspondent called the situation “extremely difficult” for elements of the BARS-13 detachment and the 752nd Motorized Rifle Regiment of the 20th Combined Arms Army, which are reportedly defending around Drobysheve and into Lyman.[15]

    Another Russian milblogger stated that Ukrainian troops are attacking Lyman from three directions and have cut Russian access to the critical Svatove-Lyman road, which is the major ground line of communication (GLOC) sustaining the Russian grouping within Lyman itself.[16] Several milbloggers stated that the fall of Lyman to Ukrainian troops is imminent without the immediate reinforcement of Russian forces.[17] The Ukrainian General Staff reported earlier in the day on September 29 that seven tanks crewed by newly mobilized and low-skilled personnel deployed to the Lyman area without proper fire training for tank weapons and got into a road accident.[18] It is highly unlikely that any deployment of additional, newly mobilized, forces to Lyman will afford the existing Russian grouping significant defensive capabilities and prevent Ukrainian troops from collapsing the Lyman pocket. . . .

    Ukrainian military officials maintained operational silence regarding Ukrainian ground maneuvers in Kherson Oblast on September 29 but emphasized that Russian forces are deploying new troops to the area, likely to reinforce Russian defensive lines against the ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensive. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russia deployed 2,000 mobilized men from Crimea to Kherson Oblast on September 27, many of whom are newly-mobilized members of the historically marginalized Crimean Tatar community and are likely undertrained and unmotivated to fight on the side of Russian troops.[22] Ukrainian military officials reiterated that Ukrainian troops are continuing an interdiction campaign against Russian military, logistics, and transportation assets, as well as concentration areas, in Kherson Oblast.[23] . . .
     
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    If Russia is "winning", why all the desperate moves by Putin? @Jeannette and @Eleuthera
     
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    Will the fall of Lyman precipitate wider collapse along the Russian lines?
    Can Putin survive such a humiliating defeat?
     
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    Ukrainian Forces Encircling Key Eastern Town. Ukrainian forces are reportedly encircling the Russian-occupied eastern city of Lyman in the Donetsk region. The town is a key transport hub and its liberation would mark Ukraine’s most significant advance in the Donbas since the start of the conflict with Russia. Denis Pushilin, the pro-Moscow separatist leader of the self-proclaimed “Donetsk People’s Republic” confirmed the Ukrainian progress around Lyman, calling it a “disturbing” development. Barron’s Bloomberg Reuters Washington Post
     
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    Intercepted Russian Phone Calls Show Disarray. The New York Times is out with a report based upon intercepted phone calls and communications from Russian troops in Ukraine. Russian soldiers reportedly describe tactical mistakes, low supplies and staggering losses and comments that the war is not going to plan. The soldiers also confess to killing non-combatants and looting. Many directly criticized their commanders and even President Vladimir Putin for the disarray. Some said they would quit the military and are even considering deserting, despite the threat of jail time, though others said they would continue fighting for the combat pay and looting gains. New York Times
     
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    Everything written here is laughable. Ukraine lost 1/4 of its land, and Russia gained land - so who lost and who is winning? If Zalensky wants to hold on to Kharkov and Odessa, he better bow to Putin's demands - and quickly.
     
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    Now, Ukraine is taking back 1/4 of its land, one kilometer at a time. Should take a year, but Russia will not hold any more Ukrainian land. Putin better bow to the world and kiss their arse if he plans on surviving another winter!
     
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    upload_2022-9-30_14-48-11.png The Daily Beast
    Putin Suffers Most Humiliating Ukraine Defeat Yet Around Key City of Lyman
     
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    The funniest thing on these forums is the Russian Trolls been blasting their posts that everything is going as Putin planned all along since the beginning. Even when things go badly, they twist around the events to fit that narrative. Well, things are not going as Putin planned and it appears that Ukraine may push Russia out of Ukraine and all of its occupied territories within a years time now. How about that, I bet Putin was planning on giving Crimea back to Ukraine, lol.
     
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    I don't think he has plans to bow or even curtsey
     
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    This is pure speculation, what Jeanette wrote was fact. Keep up mate.
     
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    ....oh the irony....:roflol:

    yeah right Jeanie....or what...Putin'll chuck his toys outta the pram...have a wee hissy fit and hold his breath....."let me win or I'll tell my daddy on you"....
     
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    He's correct.
     
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    You're right. Everything you wrote here is laughable. :thumbsup:
     
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    Assessing Putin’s Implicit Nuclear Threats After Annexation

    ". . . Putin has set in motion two major means short of nuclear use through which he will try to achieve his objectives: partial mobilization to replace Russian losses, and wintertime energy pressures on Europe to deter European support. He likely intends Russia’s ongoing mobilization to stabilize Russian positions and enable the temporary freezing of the conflict. He is unlikely to succeed; rushing thousands of untrained and unmotivated Russian men to the front will not meaningfully increase Russian combat power, particularly in places like western Luhansk oblast where the Ukrainian counteroffensives are making significant progress. Putin intends his second approach, curtailing natural gas exports to Europe, to fracture the Western consensus around supporting Ukraine and limit Western military aid to Ukrainian forces. This too is unlikely to succeed; Europe is in for a cold and difficult winter, yet the leaders of NATO and non-NATO European states have not faltered in their support for Ukrainian sovereignty and may increase that support in light of Russia’s illegal annexation even in the face of economic costs.[7] European states are actively finding alternatives to Russian energy and will likely be far more prepared by winter 2023.[8] It is difficult to assess what indicators Putin will use to evaluate the success of either effort. But both will take considerable time to bear fruit or to demonstrably fail, time Putin will likely take before considering a nuclear escalation. . . . "
     
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    Zelensky Hails 'Significant Results' Of Counteroffensive In East Ukraine
     
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    upload_2022-9-30_21-31-37.png The Moscow Times
    Large Russian Force Faces ‘Encirclement’ in Eastern Ukraine
     
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    A Russian Regiment, Currently Surrounded In Eastern Ukraine, Has A
     

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