Russophobia explained.

One would think there must be some sort of admiration for the "Nazis" here by the russophile....they can't stop posting about it,LOL.

 

Russians very "educated"and travel around the world?
All Russians do that? Where do most have money? Or is this another fairy tale of yours?

 

No not at all, why you ask, does it bother you? I merely implied they need to deal with their circumstances they created. Besides there's enough hate for the US here. Russias an adversary and will be treated as such, I think I'm entitled to that opinion.

 

No, I think you've got that concept of lazy thinking nailed down well...seems a russian thing, don't ya think?.

 

Twitter: Russian bots retweeted Trump nearly 500,000 times in last months of election

http://thehill.com/policy/technolog...s-retweeted-trump-nearly-500000-times-in-last

 

Russian nationalist idiots and American nationalist morons should be locked into a room together so that they can annihilate each other.

In the meantime, Russia and America have no serious conflicts of interest, and both countries have sophisticated, persistent, ruthless adversaries who would like to destroy them both ... but who in the meantime, no doubt rejoice when they see these two great nations clashing, and no doubt do what they can at every level to encourage hatred between them.

 

Russian idiots will defeat American morons. Our idiots are strongest idiots of the world!

Unfortunately it isn't correct. The main problem of the USA is independent Russia. Russia only by its existence weakens America. It's true.

The elite of United States of America.

 

Op

 

Well! Russia intervened on the election. So what?! It was not difficult))

 

Let's open the cards. The TV channels bring losses. Only rich and influential people have it in property. If I write such a list (which is available in wiki) you will tell that all these guys are from 'inner circle'. Can you firstly write me a list of 'inner circle' and prove that this is really an organization? When you complete that I will compare your list with Ukrainian proprietors, American proprietors, Chinese etc and come to conclusion that Russian media is either a little bit better or the same as any media system in the world.

There is no need to believe in repressions against Russian language and Russian culture in Ukraine. This is a fact. BTW I didn't say about 'fascist junta'. The guys at the top of Ukraine are typical oligarchs like everywhere else. They don't have any ideology except for the money. But they seek for support of nationalists. All these 'hail Ukraine! Hail heroes!', 'death to the enemies!' etc. Lots of Ukrainians refer to these mottos as if it was a Bible of theirs. These news are fact, they are perceived differently. In Russia it is seen as threat and stupidity (which doesn't add anything positive to the image of Ukraine), in Ukraine it is seen as a road to Europe and 'final farewell to Russian imperialism', in the West it is not that spread and when someone tells of these events it creates only disgust.

I mean if there was something good happening in Ukraine and it was not said in Russian media I would agree. We have here a special place for news about eastern Europe. If you post some good news there I would be grateful to you. Although it wouldn't be seen by our western guys. They really don't care if we still live or already died.

It did. The most part of people who have been killing each other since the times of Maidan are Ukrainian citizens and they were affected by Ukrainian media and not the Russian. Russian media could have provoked lots of willfighters to go to Donbass at a critical time after the start of 'ATO'. But if you find direct propaganda to do that - please give me a link, because I have never seen anything like 'you need to fight in Donbass for...' in Russian media... unlike the Ukrainian. I guess that your desire to hang Russian journalists is only a side effect of Ukrainian propaganda that justifies genocide of all the Russians. I am pretty sure that while reading you want to hang me as well. At least sometimes... That's sad.

Look. There is a main rule for media. They need to be watched. They need to sell the information. And people are mostly interested in really bad news. That is psycology. If you have a wonderful naked and hot girl and an armed terrorist you would firstly have a look at the terrorist (if you are sane of course). People want to survive more than even to have sex. This is why the editors passed this information. They have a woman who calls herself a witness! It is not the job of journalists to investigate if it is true or not. It is a job of police.So, I find this episode dirty, but not any propaganda. The propaganda needs to be repeated. If I start to look for this episode in Ukrainian news - I will find plenty of references. It is said in Ukrainian news almost every day. But as for Russian media it was only mentioned that very day and is not emphasized. Propaganda doesn't work like that. So in this very case I would rather speak about Ukrainian propaganda and not the Russian.

Girkin never had an army or serious armament. It was a group of people who took the weapons mostly from the police station of Slaviansk and later aptured some of the artillery units (2 or 3) from local army base. When they had to retreat they used civil cars. So I can't regard this group as a proof that Russia invaded Ukraine. The invasion doesn't look like that. In this case we had an activity of group of people. They acted the same way as Maidan activists. In terms of law it was a crime. But it was just the same crime as made before by Maidan supporters. If you take a weapon and force me to agree with you, then another guy might take another weapon and force you to agree with different statement. But that is the responsibility of actual people and not the state or government.

I talk about bandera worshipping wearing and following the symbols of SS and some of its divisions, like Galichina. Ukraine incorporated and legalized plenty of armed divisions like 'Azov', "Donbass', 'Dnepr' etc. There is quite a propaganda about justifying of their activities during and after Maidan, which were not necessarily approving the power of Poroshenko or decisions of Parliament and Government.

 

Their respective 'vox pop cheer-leaders' aren't the problem, the problem is the US and UK governments spreading alarm and despondency that the Russians are a threat when they're not.

 

If EU doesn't exist there will be a war there. So far even GB can't leave the EU on an agreed basis. They calculate the money and are not able to divorce the way that Russia released former USSR republics. I can't see Germany to take all the losses of EU deconstruction. And even then they will not be able to pay a good price and sustain a profitable economy. Deconstruction of EU is not profitable to Russia. Russia needs a stable partnership. That is why Russia deals with all of the European politicians, including Le Pen. It's natural.

Every politician has a group of supporting businessmen and businessmen never invest their money without getting a profit. Every decision of every politician supports this or that group of financial and industrial guys, which is a world practice. I don't believe in 'inner circles'. I believe in groups. You also have friends and if you have any influence you'd rather help them to get stronger rather than to support another group who will install their own influential guy.

 

There was a referendum there. If you believe in democracy referendums is just the distinction line between annexations and peaceful open will of the people. The latter has a priority in all the international documents. It is even bigger value than the sovereignty of states' borders. The question however can only be if this referendum was real or fake. Unfortunately westerners ignored it. So they can't have ANY arguments on its quality.

A lie. Putin never told that Russian army crossed the border to perform military activity in the territory of Ukraine. moreover in all the documents Donbass is regarded as a territory of Ukraine.

You might be confusing Crimean and Donbass events.

If you was reading the text you would see that I divided 'history' into three categories. Russian Empire, USSR and Russian Federation. Russian Empire did fight for resources and territory. The USSR performed aggressive actions from ideological point of view. Russian Federation so far was only defending. I wrote it with the same words, but it seems that your main aim is not to communicate but to make LOLs.

You can always compare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

The thing in order not to get overimpressed is to compare the proximity to the borders, aims and methods etc.

Comparison is one of the main methods of science. Comparison provides new knowledge thus being very useful. I would say that it is pointless to refuse of comparisons, but to continue judging who is right and who's wrong.

The USA planned the war in Ukraine since 1990s. The first Maidan under Yuschenko was their first attempt and it was their action which lead to Russian counterplanning and Russian counteractions. It is not vital for Putin to secure from Ukraine, Turkey, Georgia or Romania. He wouldn't invest a penny into military bases if these sides were our possible rivals. But NATO and US cruisers with nuclear rockets in the black sea is a threat that he needed to defend of.
If Maidan didn't happened then Yanukovich would lose the elections and Ukraine would only start to kill its economy... with Crimea and Donbass as a part of the state. Moreover. If there was no Maidan crimeans would bite for reunification differently. It would be around 60% and not the 90%. I doubt that Putin would send military risking to have a decrease of this support from 60 to 40 getting troubles and sanctions for ... for what?
If Ukraine remained a sovereign independent state of any quality (even a poor one) Putin would never perform this plan.

One more base in the region closer to ME is smth of use. But it wasn't vital at times of making the decision. So it is not a plan B. This is a regular work of a government

Well. I see an aggressive side with the most developed military, hostile to my country... Do I need any propaganda to consider this side a threat? Does it make me paranoic? I don't think so. NATO was created to destroy the USSR and it still exists. What other purpose except for war with Russia (and\or China) it can possibly pursue?

If we don't die in a war in the nearest couple of decades - that would mean that smth went right. The rest is the task for future generations. In the far future it could be Australia and Egypt to make crucial decisions for world policy... Anything can happen.

If the US government allows Russia to make Russian military base next to Washington DC I bet Kremlin would find the money to support it. The financing is no argument. Besudes, Trump is already demanding the Europeans to make their contribution to NATO. Let me inumerate my arguments:
1) list of wars of the US.
2) The formidable military status of US, with its budget and doctrine hostile to Russia
3) New military bases which were approaching the territory of Russia for decades.
4) Aggressive russophobic propaganda in media.

These facts (not opinoons) make it clear that the US would like to make war with Russia but is only thinking if it is able to counterstrike and if the results of counterstrike are acceptable. If the guys in White House decide today, that lives of americans and Europeans cost less than their financial and military supremacy and political power - they would make war even before lunchtime.

This is true. And actually quite a good argument. But Philipines is quite far from Russia, so I basically don't care of what is happening around these islands. I see only the fast leap of NATO to eastern Europe, hostilities in ME and aggressive plans in Korea. These are our borders and our interests. Do you have any examples of reducing your costs in area around Russia? I don't.

 

Ye, right. Judomassons owne all media at the world, and as You read/seen all biggest media sites at the world(how many languages do you know?) you discovered this worldwide conspiracy.

It's always funny to meet the expert of the all question in the world.

And again, at first they start a war in Donbass and after that they are screaming about the victims of this war. And yes, russian backed separatists was shelling for example ukranian held Adejevka town in Donbas from the "Grad" artilery systems. And where is your screams about russisn fashizm? Or, as there was no command from the television, you dont give a deam about victims of shelling in Adejevka or Marianopol?

I do not know nothing about hundreds of independent America CIA agents, and British MI6 agents working in Ukraine and Syria. Perhaps you got some classified information straight from them But Girkin, who was involved in occupation of Crimeria too, is not independent agent.

 

And you are the guy, who can talk in the name of all population of Latvia? Have you lost the contact with reality?

 

Why not? This guy talked a lot against Putin. Especially when he tried to get position of a leader of Donetsk republic. If he was just a man on service he wouldn't get expelled. I would say that Russia tried to keep the new republics under control. The most success was there around Lugansk. But again the Kremlin guy was seen off Lugansk by a local militia leader. Russia helps the republics a lot, just because if Russia turns from them like it did from Kurds - the public opinion would grow against Putin. Putin could destroy these republics if he wanted to. But tell me one reason why he needs to that.

 

And if some one will post here same kind of pictures and will write, that this is russians, you will scream about russian fascist junta? Or you will not?
Acoording to russian television, they not only raped one years old girls, but they allso raped epileptic grandmothers, eated the human flesh and so one. And again, this is not a joke, all this trash is comming 7 days per week stright into heds of comrades like this one. And after that, they are screeming about "slave nations", "unhuman antirussian pigs", who will be killed and so on. Russian brainwashing system slowly turns its poputation in to cattle.

 

One thought inspired by the posts of photos of Ukrainian Nazis: there used to be a mild sort of "racism" (hate to use that so-often-misused word, but can't think of a better one) which was fairly widespread in the US, towards the Slavic peoples, especially the Poles. Thus so-called "Polish jokes". The Slavs were supposed to be less-than-bright. Of course the people who held these views knew nothing about the history of this region, and were a million miles away from being able to think about cause-and-effect, change over time, etc. (And wouldn't have known a Ukrainian from a Uranian.)

But when I saw the pictures of the Ukrainian Nazis -- I couldn't help thinking ... how very very stupid. Deeply stupid. Immeasurably deeply stupid.

Not stupid because the real Nazis regarded the Ukrainian people as '******s', and would have enslaved them at best had the Nazis won. It's as if a Black nationalist group were to glorify the Ku Klux Klan.

Stupid, because, if you're a Ukrainian Nazi, wanting to assert the independence of your glorious Motherland against the Russians [and the Jews of course] ... you ought to be thinking, "Who can help us? Where can we find allies?" It's one of the first things any serious person thinks about when contemplating a struggle: how can I unite as many people as I can with me, neutralize those who can't be brought to my side, and divide the enemy?

Now .. if there were a strong Nazi power around, then it would make sense to advertise the fact that "We are Nazis too!" hoping for support from this power.

But there is not. All these Ukrainian Nazis are doing is guaranteeing that the Ukrainian cause itself will be easily linked to fascism, repelling people who might have been sympathetic, including in Russia itself and certainly in Europe and the US.

And of course the great majority of Ukrainians are not Nazis, as shown by the poor results Ukrainian fascists get in elections. But the damage has been done -- just as has happened in this forum, anyone wanting to discredit the Ukrainian cause just has to post the photos of these repulsive idiots as widely as possible, and when European or American legislatures are debating how many anti-tank missiles to send to Ukraine, there will be less support for doing so. Why arm Nazis?

Of course this assumes these photos are authentic, and not created in a basement in St Petersburg, but I'll bet they are genuine.

Note: it's hard for nationalists of any sort -- and Nazis are the extreme end of the nationalist spectrum -- to act intelligently, since their thinking is driven directly by their DNA. Their surging pride in their glorious tribe makes it hard for them to coolly work out how to win the support of other tribes. They are driven to rape instead of seduction.

Thus even the non-Nazi Ukrainian nationalists act in a stupid manner when they vote to make Ukrainian the sole language of secondary instruction. If they were smart, they'd have been doing everything in their power to appease their Russian and Russified minorities with respect to linguistic and cultural rights, not to mention doing everything they could to reassure the Russian government that they would not become an outpost for NATO. But nationalism makes you stupid.

Maybe with some exceptions. Putin is an example of a smart nationalist. People who don't like him ought to watch all his interviews on YouTube, to see how it's done. No stupid boasting, no angry threats ... just a cool presentation of his case, how reasonable it is, some annoyance at the irrationality of his opponents, who are unable to see reason, how it would be in everyone's interest to co operate, maybe a joke here or there ... brilliant.

Trump in particular could benefit enormously from seeing how Putin argues his case -- although probably Trump is literally incapable of learning anything at all, so maybe it would be a waste of his time.

 

I agree completely. Both governments were perfectly happy to work closely with other states, during the Cold War, that actually executed hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. Raison d'état, I think it's called. We need a little of that thinking now.

And no one ever points out that the Russians got out of Eastern Europe peacefully, got rid of Communism peacefully ... probably to the chagrin of certain people who had hoped for a bloody uprising and civil war there.

So there is every reason to believe this great nation will eventually make the transition to being a normal European country. But in the meantime, they're not happy with NATO on their borders -- especially after their application to join NATO was turned down -- and they ought to be accommodated on this issue.

But I think it's worth while to point out that the people who take the bait and denigrate the Russians are also playing right into the hands of the Islamists. (As are the Russians who descend to their level.)

 

OK, dude. The majority of the Latvia's population thinks otherwise. Do you agree?

 

If you would post here a picture where people are bringing swastika on the Red Square together with Russian flags, I shall say that they are Russians. Could you find such pictures in the Internet? While I can see only runes of SS in the Kiev center.

Sorry, dude, it is the Ukrainian TV. They say that these guys did it. They shot videos, but I can't post it here. Or don't you believe Ukrainian TV too?

P.S. Guy, your native language is Russian. Why do you post here as a Latvian? Why do you ignore my questions according this theme?

 

Gee, nice pics, were they tailor made in some basement in st Pete...where you are maybe?

 

And if it's not on the Red square but somewhere else in Moscow, then its definetry not russians, but ukrainians you can detect on every photo just by looking into faces of peoples on photo?
Russian imperial flag, RF flag and nazi flag on the "Russian march" in Moscow.





So, there is russian fascist junta in power in Russia?

I don't watch the Ukrainian TV and i believe in facts.By now we have only your words without any facts. And a source of this bullshit is not the ukrainian TV.

How do you know that? You not only feel the nationality through photos, but also through posts in the forum?

 

Just so you know....this poster st256 is a "college professor"...somewhere in Siberia, or so they claim, so they are very learnedLOL?!?...I'm sure his students have a bright future ahead of them if this account teaches what they write here!!

 

It's sad if its true. I think that in university people must learn critical thinking, but with this kind of professors it would be hard to do.