Salisbury poison was Russian-made NOVICHOK - British PM confirms.

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  1. Shelly Ann

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    You think the Brits falsified their findings??
     
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    I think - yes, they falsified their findings.
    Moreover, they recognized that officially:

     
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    I don't think they falsified this latest poisoning
     
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    What makes you think so?
     
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    Because it is a trademark of the Putin regime and others were sickened by the poisoning, including a Police officer. I believe they have ample evidence of the type of nerve agent that was used.
     
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    Actually, I asked what makes you think so, but not what makes you believe so.
    As you don't want to think, but want to believe - what are we talking about?
     
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  7. Shelly Ann

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    OK.. well.. I THINK the Russians (Putin) Is trying to bring back the cold war. I THINK Putin is a madman with dreams of grandeur. I THINK Putin wants to bring back the Soviet Union and will stop at nothing to accomplish this.
     
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    And here we come back to my question. What makes you think so?
     
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    British prime-minister Theresa May visits Salisbury:

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    If you are confused, it's the crime scene where WMD was used, according to British authorities.
     
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    Now if the table in Zizzis, at which Skripal and his dodder were seated hadn't been taken away and destroyed within hours of the 'poisoning' (note the insertion of inverted commas there, designed to suggest scepticism?), then May could easily have had the ingredients analysed, which in turn (as I understand it) would have proved beyond any doubt whether it was manufactured in Russia or not. In other words, if only it hadn't been destroyed (and I don't see why it needed to be?), traces of the 'poison' would still be available right now to prove the origin of the nerve agent. Additionally it was reported on the BBC tv news last night that the first responder police officer is still 'critically ill in hospital', but I distinctly remember a report a day or so after the incident where, apparently still in rude health, and being irritated by May's condescension when he said that 'I was just doing my job.' So how come he wasn't taken ill at the same time as the two victims?
     
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    I think if special services from Russia wanted to do this, they did this in the way that noone could recognize that this is from Russia, or at least it took a lot of time to investigate it. In this case the accusations of Russia were brought immediately after the accident. The use of the gas would be too obvious and Putin is not that stupid to do that before the elections and football world cup in Russia. So, western politicians were more interested in this death than Putin.
     
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    Some fair points if that's how it actually works out, but the trouble is that things might well take an unexpected turn for the worse, and nobody in the west is astute enough to know how to stop the by now out-of-control roller-coaster hurtling into WW3?
     
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    How long had it been since the Russian gas attack then?
     
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    For some reason 'the Russians' use only a chemical to kill someone in GB. And it has to be a chemical which doesn't kill at once for there is always a long time on the screens with dying victim and civilized people who try their best to help him... And for some reason the Russians choose the poison which is very dangerous for lots of people
    But when it comes down to killing someone in Moscow Putin orders to use a used pistol with several shots. And he also would order to spare a prostitute who lead the victim to the scene of the murder...

    In all cases the western TV has excellent pictures as if Putin planned it from the beginning.
     
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    Not that I could find. But the main thing is that it was a Mafiya assassination during Yeltsin's rule - it wasn't state sanctioned. In other words there is historical form for the use of nerve toxins to murder enemies (Mafiya ones) pre-dating Putin. HMG must know this, but do not take it into account, thus indicating, yet again, that they are being less than honest in the Skripal affair.
     
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    Look at those firefighters. Their helmets obviously give them all the protection needed for WMD.

    These lies started further from Europe
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    but since the lie worked well those times - it also works well inside Europe...
    If western people wouldn't buy the first lies about 'chemical weaponry' - the people who were damaged recently would most probably stay alive and healthy. Next time when needing a further sanction the next chemical attack can happen at school...
     
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    And it couldn't possibly have been Assad because all his chemical agents stockpile had been removed by NATO and destroyed.
     
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    'Do our bums look big in this?' What a ****ing charade!!

    Love the blue wellies though! They go with that shade of green so well? :roflol:
     
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    British firefighters have iron balls.
     
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    Highly likely British firefighters have iron balls.
     
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    Nope... Sh.t can always go wrong... Especially for a country like Russia with intense idealism of bringing Tsardom back to life. Such idealism must be built on strong authoritarian measures (oppressed masses, media, and opposition). When dicta starts to rule, there's no room needed for any "rationalism" because the interests of such idealist establishment are above anything and everything; even human dignity is now meaningless.

    So, Skripal sort of fck-ups are all too normal for rogue regimes... Kim for example ordered for the killing of his half brother but the girls carried out the assassination got caught. Putin ordered for Skripal's killing, his assassin(s) managed to get away with what they did but they fcked it up...

    Authoritarian idealism=dicta rule=society of chain-of-command=no rationalism=fck-ups
     
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    Of course, but that requires some knowledge and at least a single independent and professional media. I posted a picture for a different reason. Zarin and Novichok get through the skin and the people dressed like it simply can't discover 'zarin' or 'Novichok.' If they find it - they won't be able to stay whatever their balls is made of. If they don't find it they talk lies of finding it...

    So far we have several facts:
    1) Some people were poisoned by something somewhere.
    2) GB is concealing the investigation on the matter and doesn't work together with a country it is oblidged to (Scripal's daughter is a citizen of Russia) according the procedures it has to.
    3) New sanctions before the completed investigation is not a proof that it was planned so from the beginning, but is certainly a sign that they use this story for propaganda.

    I can imagine one of the people who were betrayed by Scripal or a spy of China or Saudi Arabia who wishes to revenge or spoil relationship between EU and Russia for the benefit of his country. But I see no reason for Putin to plan such an attack. Of course propaganda shows him as a maniac but he is not. If he was a maniac no one would vote for him.
     
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    Putin was in Yeltsin's government as a politician... The oligarch was one of the THE FAMILY's... You know nothing because you are a Kremlin troll programed to spread cover-up BS...
     
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    However the problem is that Russia cannot simultaneously plan to restore 'Tsardom' and 'the USSR'... These two entities are deadly enemies.
    Of course it doesn't matter for propaganda, which task is to dehumanize Russians in the eyes of propaganda-eaters...
     
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    So far, there are no proofs it have been done by Russian services eh, goody? When you investigate a crime, the first question is who benefits from it. Certainly, not Putin.
     
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