Sanders Has NAILED IT!!

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Johnny-C, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. Badmutha

    Badmutha New Member

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    So does Campaign Spending determine your vote?
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  2. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    Right! I grew up knowing the difference between what socialism 'may' lead to (a la Soviet Union type abuses/failures) but I've paid enough attention AS AN AMERICAN to know how/where "socialism" (certain aspects of it) has been literally GOOD for this nation.

    I don't pat one iota of attention to people who try to paint "socialism" as some kind of bogeyman or demon; they are typically banking on the notion that the FEAR they wish to instill by the mere mention of the 'word', will dissuade individuals from 'considering' the very things I have pointed out above.

    Bottom line, not 'everything' about "socialism" or "socialists" is bad/wrong.
     
  3. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    Why (exactly) do you ask?

    Still, I will tell you... that how those with the power of WEALTH attempt to steer this nation's politics/laws, determines to a large degree how I will VOTE and ADVOCATE to counter the same. I know I'm just one person, but I also know the effectiveness of being resolute and persistent over time.
     
  4. Serfin' USA

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    Sanders is one of the best Senators we have.

    He was one of the few that voted against the NDAA, and his argument on this is sound as well.

    I really don't think the 1st Amendment was intended to give corporations free reign over political donations.
     
  5. Johnny-C

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    Amen to the above!!
     
  6. Montoya

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    I really can't wait for the day when big corporations are taken down a peg or two.
     
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    Sanders understands the problem but not how to solve it.
     
  8. Ethereal

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    As long as leftists keep centralizing power with the Federal government, that will never happen.
     
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    Just how would taking down corporations a peg or two change your enabling welfare status as an economic reprobrate?
     
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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    As usual, socialists want to control everything and everyone with laws and the state. It is high time that we threw Bernie and the Dems out of office.

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  11. Johnny-C

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    And that day surely WILL come. They'll exist (for sure), but not as the uncontrolled monsters they apparently are today.
     
  12. Johnny-C

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    That proposed amendment is (if not the solution) the beginning of a REAL solution.

    We already know what money does to people (and the things they are involved in)... and Sanders is surely on the proper track with regards to what has damaged and corrupted this nation's democratic essence.
     
  13. Johnny-C

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    In general, socialists aren't about what you are claiming. You may feel that way, but in America there isn't any substantial evidence that what you are saying is true.
     
  14. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    This is cute coming from the same crowd who's spent the last 3 years trying to convince us Barack Obama is the best thing since sliced bread.

    Sorry guys, your credibility is zero. You're just blowing in the wind.
     
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  15. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    What have Republicans and Conservatives DONE, to enhance the well-being of Americans over the same time period?
     
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    What say me?

    I say that if you are supporting Barack Obama for re-election then you probably don't really understand what the U.S.A. needs economically or socially. And if that is the case, then you very possibly have misjudged the value of Bernie's statements.

    Although, here's a break for you. He happens to be correct if he is objecting to corporations being allowed to donate campaign funds. In fact NO ONE should be allowed to donate to election campaigns, including the person running for office. All campaign donations should come from a tax-created Govt. held fund which gives out equal money to every serious candidate. (details not given here)

    Furthermore, Sanders has shown himself to me to be a quack. And as any duck would tell you, even a quack is right once in a while.
     
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    They haven't been in charge... Barack Obama and the libs are in charge.

    Good attempt to divert the blame though. Too bad it doesn't work now that we have proof of their utter failure.
     
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    Yes it totally burns their arse that corporations are allowed by virtue of willingly giving their money to campaigns, as opposed to unions who force their union paying dues to pay towards Dems. Very correct ruling by the SC, unless of course the house of Representatives decide to stop all campaign funds by bid donors occur.
     
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    Isn't that the truth? They had to be already mind numbed when it was decided that Obama had to be their nominee. And the fact that no one will even challenge this prop up, shows the numbness continues.
     
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    There you have it. Here is the clear picture of class warfare. The corporations, their rich supporters in the SC, and their lackeys among the population all push for policies that destroy democracy and drive America toward corporatism (Mussolini had a word for it), and when the public screams foul, we get accused of "class warfare" when it is actually what we are fighting against.
     
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    Unions were freed by citizens united too. Before they also could not contribute (directly), only by encouraging their members to do so. They, like corporations, were limited to running issue ads without outright campaign coordination.
     
  22. Johnny-C

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    Yes, YOU.

    Wrong. I simply have a different perspective than YOU, of the same.

    No, I have not misjudged anything. I KNOW that too much money has overly INFLUENCED America's politicians and elections; for the sake of American democracy itself... that needs to be reeled-in.

    I don't need a "break".

    Bottom line in my book; if you aren't (a) HUMAN (who also happens to be an American citizen), then don't donate to an American politician.

    The details can be hashed-out for some time, and I'm sure they will; in any case, it is proper that America make a significant change to the status quo.

    I can agree with that.

    Irrelevant to me... Sanders is absolutely CORRECT ON THIS ISSUE.

    Sanders is right on other things too. It is clear enough that the "establishment" doesn't want REAL SOLUTIONS (like his ideas) to be enacted as law. It stands in the way of their making "money".
     
  23. Johnny-C

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    Unions don't need to donate either. Bottom line: Americans spend too much money on politics/elections. It's a corrupting factor; it needs to be controlled more effectively.
     
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    Republicans have a great deal to do with ALL that is transpiring today. Conservatives don't get off so easily as you imply.
     
  25. Unionguy

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    That's funny, That's how I feel about Ron Paul.
     

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