Schools to teach kids there's no such thing as boys or girls.

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  1. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did Liberals pick you for their spokesman?
     
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    And which public school is doing that?

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    Then those people who continue to use "boy and girl" as opposed to masculine and feminine do not understand the difference either.

    Because when you start talking about boy and girl you're talking about sex. Masculine and feminine refer to gender. And being a feminine male doesn't make you a "girl". It makes you a feminine boy (if we're talking about children).
     
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    "Defined" of course, by the new Liberal rewrites and wishlists.

    Sorry Birth Certificates, and actual FACTUAL documents haven't caught up yet to your political agendas.
     
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    Link to prove that the word "gender" has been recently redefined by liberals?
     
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    considering the news source, I find the claim in the OP to be dubious.
     
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    Pick up your own Birth Certificate, and find separate fields for Sex and Gender. Better than any link, because we ALL have our own certified proof.
    You'll find only one field which encompasses the entire issue.

    The only reason we are now being told this is a grey area, is because people with an agenda want to validate their perversions like Transgenderism. And we know it's not conservatives leading this charge, it's the perverted, sex obsessed Left.
     
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    What word does a birth certificate use--"sex" or "gender"? It would make sense that it would use "gender", as it does refer to an individuals sexual organs, but it also refers to a broad range of other masculine and feminine characteristics that have nothing to do with sexuality.
     
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    If they're teaching people there's no such thing as boy or girl then they're teaching people there's no such thing as an assigned sex. That's different than telling a boy it's okay to be feminine or a girl that it's okay to be masculine. And neither of those changes the fact that they're a boy or a girl.
     
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    Getting late in on this thread, but the above is what caught my eye. Is this just a recommendation or has it been implemented. If it is just a recommendation someone can recommend we teach blue is the color green, but that doesn't mean it is going into the curriculum.

    If this HAS been implemented I don't agree with it being done in public schools because I don't think it has become proven yet. I can see this being an elective college course of some sorts but not in the public school systems yet. There is still so much we don't understand to make such a giant leap like this into our public school systems.
     
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    The ones I have seen use "sex", in which only 2 choices are available of course...Male or Female.

    Theres also a dangerous, IMO, push going on today to allow people to go back and change these official documents to how they feel today.
     
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    In reality people can quite literally and legally change their sex through operations, hormone therapy and such. However, even with that, I don't think this should be in a curriculum with the public schools.
     
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    nahhhh that's too late. They have to get to them as early as possible to indoctrinate them with their perverted lifestyle early enough that they accept it as normal.
     
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    Uhhh no they can't. Having a sex change operation doesn't make a male a female. It makes him a male with a mutilated penis.
     
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    Well, that is where we are going to disagree on and that's ok. They legally CAN change their gender though. And even with all that, I still don't think it should be in the public school system IMO.
     
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    Was thinking the same thing.

    These people are not really changing genders at all. Science at this point in time is simply not able to do so. These sex organs are hardly functional, and the Chrosmosomes will never change. If a Transgender "Woman" can mate with a Man, get Pregnant and carry/deliver a Baby.....I'll change my tune.

    Until then, this is costume jewelry.
     
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    Let me ask you this. With the most successful surgery they can have... are they EVER capable of becoming pregnant?

    If not, they can't be female.
     
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    Have you ever seen South Park? They had an episode making fun of this one time. And they had a guy who had a dolphinoplasty:

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    He had surgery, gave him a fin, connected his legs together and made a fin with his feet, changed his nose, put a curve in and elongated the neck and created a blowhole for him...

    Does that make him a dolphin? Or is he just a dumbass that looks kind of like a dolphin?
     
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    I know two friends that are female that cannot have children. Does that make them not female? Of course not.
     
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    Do they have a womb? Here let me be more accurate since it was my fault I wasn't the first time. Do either of them have a Y chromosome? If not then they're female.
     
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    The wording in the OP's article states "that there’s no such thing as 100 percent boys or 100 percent girls," not that there's no such thing as boy or girl. This is true; most people have at least some characteristics of their personality that do not coincide with their sex.
     
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    That's not what that says. To say 100% boy or girl is a reference to sex not gender.

    If what you are saying is true they should have said there's no such thing as 100% masculine or 100% feminine.

    And to be quite honest, even if I did think they were just referring to masculinity and femininity, I'm not sure I trust Shaniqua to be educated enough to express these ideas properly to children. And I sure as hell don't trust the teacher "Homo Gary" to be honest enough with his agenda not to push his perversions through insidious little teachings like saying boy and girl instead of masculine and feminine.
     
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    There's a difference between well-voiced criticism and just being an ass. I stand by my assessment of what fuels your "criticism".

    Who put you in charge of the best interests of someone else' kid? It's beyond presumptuous for you to insist that you know better.

    Oh, and that choice of the word "lifestyle"? Dead giveaway of what you're really about.

    I personally don't. If I were to dress in the clothing of the opposite sex, that would indeed be a case of "dress up and pretend", because I don't have a gender identity that differs from my biological sex. What you characterize as "pretending" in the case of a transgender person is actually that person's outward expression of who they are, beyond mere physical attributes. You aren't focused on what's best for another person - you're focused on their physiology and viewing their situation through the lens of your own, seemingly very deep bias.

    I'm on record as questioning the appropriateness of this below college age. In my view, your denial of what transgender people experience makes you the pretender here. You are pretending to know things that you don't.

    More denial. There can be theories about most anything, including how people develop a sense of gender and express that.

    I haven't suggested any such thing. In point of fact, it's usually the anti-gay/anti-trans crowd who confuse the two.

    You also don't choose your sexual orientation or gender identity. How either one is determined is something that science can't yet tell us. But the inability to conclusively prove a source for either one doesn't mean there's no evidence to suggest various possibilities. It also doesn't prove that alternate theory of these things being a matter of choice.

    More denial. You aren't listening. Having male organs doesn't always result in a person having a "male identity". This is your personal bias talking. It's not about coming to grips with one's "male identity", because in the case of a transgender person born with male parts, that identity is something that doesn't exist. Having a penis doesn't automatically endow a person with a "male identity", just as having a penis didn't endow me with an opposite-sex orientation.

    You're basically insisting that physical and social norms dictate the non-existence of things that don't conform to those norms.

    Anyway, you've obviously closed your mind on this issue, and no amount of back and forth between us is going to make the least bit of difference. You think you know what you believe to be true, as do I, and we clearly each think the other is full of beans.

    So why bother continuing this interaction. I think we're left with nothing but repetition and restatement at this point. I would just as soon be done with you and your attitude problem completely.
     
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    I've heard that that actually happens quite often around the world, and for many centuries.
     
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    It's also important to note that the phrase "100% boy or girl" was written by the author of the article. None of the quotes from the school policy use the phrase "100% boy or girl" to describe it's nondiscrimination policy.
     

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