Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    That is the side you have taken in this discussion.
    Repeating it endlessly does not make you right,... just single-mindedly wrong and repetitious.
     
  2. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    All those questions are answered in the testimony of the four witnesses who wrote down the story as they saw or had heard it themselves.
    The NT is the record of the events, according to the four witnesses, each adding and giving his own understanding of the events.

    What is the problem with that?

    You wouldn't expect each witness to say everything as if it was planned report, would you??
     
  3. Yosh Shmenge

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    One) Learn to write proper sentences in the English language that include subjects and references to what you refer to.
    Two) So you admit Einstein did endorse the view that God controls the universe? Good to know.
     
  4. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Reality intervenes constantly.
    Reality is God, and Truth is His image and son,

    Each day unfolds with new circumstances and events that shape a future we can only adjust to and work around.
    Intervention by the god of what is real is what makes life what it is.
     
  5. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    my sentence is a proper sentence, your twist of it is what's improper and completely wrong

    show me the exact quote where i said that, of course you can't, i didn't say it
     
  6. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
    Einstein had it correct.
    He worshiped Truth as a Scientist and accepted Reality as God in accord with what Spinoza had said, ... (much less clear tan just saying Reality is God, I must add).
    What Einstein also said was that he discounted the religious communities and did not believe they recognized God as Reality, nor saw His son as the ideal we call Truth.
    He assumed the Bible must be wrong, because zillions of people have all said these other things about it, which make god some man-in-the-sky kind of a thing.

    Einstein was wrong to condemn the Bible based upon what the bible people report about it.
    He never examined the Bible properly, or he would see that the Big Bang starts off correct and is followed, verse by veres, with truth.
     
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    dujac Well-Known Member

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    when he rejected the bible
     
  8. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Or, it could be this, that Dr. Radin gave a little talk on, in which he provided the evidence....

    http://opensciences.org/videos/philosophy-and-theory/was-buddha-just-a-nice-guy

    Now, while he was addressing the Buddha, with those supposed occult powers, the same can be said of Christ. And before the materialists discount this as woo woo, at least watch the short video, to discover there is indeed hard evidence, via experiments, for what Radin says. That is, real science and the scientific method was used, as one would expect it to be used.[/QUOTE]

    What does the video tell us...?
     
  9. One Mind

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    What does the video tell us...?[/QUOTE]

    You didn't watch it obviously... Basically it said that the miracles of old were embellished, which is probably what happened, but also there is evidence via science, that what we see as miracles could actually have happened. Dr. Radin is involved in consciousness research, post materialism.

    I guess the word Buddha put you off? It was also applicable to Christ, as the video would reveal.
     
  10. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    One does not need to accept the Bible in order to be saved y faith in Truth.

    People were saved in 32AD by Christ before the New Testament was even written.
    And before Jesus, Truth existed other men, like Abraham and others,were people who also were saved by their faith in Truth as the good shepherd.

    I assume you are not a Gay person opposed to the Bible because it condemns open Gayness in public, so you just don't believe the Bible.
    Fine.

    But you do believe that Truth is the image of Reality, and born from it, right?
    You do believe in Truth as our savior.
    True?

    You do agree that to live in reality is sane.
    While to live in Fantasy Worlds, or Gay kingdoms, or sexually promiscuous societies is dangerously insane, right?
     
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    No, Einstein's belief in God doesn't prove my views or anyone's views, it does disprove the idea that he was an atheist. Cite or retract that I ever said Einstein's opinions 'proved' my Christian views.
     
  12. cupid dave

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    You didn't watch it obviously... Basically it said that the miracles of old were embellished, which is probably what happened, but also there is evidence via science, that what we see as miracles could actually have happened. Dr. Radin is involved in consciousness research, post materialism.

    I guess the word Buddha put you off? It was also applicable to Christ, as the video would reveal.[/QUOTE]

    No, I wasn't put off.
    What you say here is just fine.

    The doctor is wrong about hypnosis, of course.
    It is used today for all sorts of cures and services.

    Mesmer re-discovered in almost 2000 years after the Jesus story, and he first though he had a power over people.
    He soon realized that it was not exactly that, but some still unknown phenomenon that is possible.
    It explains the "miracles" very well as we examine the NT, especially the mass hypnosis and the water tasting like excellent wine.

    Add our recent experiences about Near Death Experiences to this and we have explanations for what the NT reports.
     
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    He found the god of Spinoza acceptable. But, Einstein wasn't a Christian, nor did he accept the jewish beliefs either, although of course he was Jewish.

    But I don't accept that god either, at least not as the fundamentalists imagine him. I think there is a Timeless, Immeasurable intelligence, and it's important, and has meaning to man. For our consciousness, which is singular, One Mind, is of that Timeless, Immeasurable intelligence. And the sooner we understand this the sooner we can create heaven on earth, which is our destiny.....unless we destroy ourselves first. Which is possible.

    And thinking as I do is not dangerous to other life, especially humanity. It would help to rid the world of division which creates all war, all evil, all disorder. We would move from do unto others as you would have them do unto you, to... do unto others as you would have them do unto you, because they are you. Humanity has a singular consciousness, at the most fundamental level. And its timeless, non local and therefore eternal.
     
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    So the inconsistencies are evidence of the consistency of the Bible? I guess you don't ascribe to the belief that it was inspired by the holy spirit then.
     
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    :roll: I know a little bit about the English language and proper sentence structure.
    Your fragmented sentence with no subject (what does "it's" refer to? that's totally unclear) proves you do not.

    Then you don't agree with Einstein's own view of his notions of God then. http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/spinoza.html
    It seems you know nothing of the subject at all.
     
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    Well done. We are all connected to God (whether we know it or not) and to each other by virtue of our humanity.
     
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    such stubborn insistence in continually restating the burden of proof fallacy.

    BURDEN OF PROOF means supplying evidence for the original claim. THERE ISN'T ANY.

    but feel free to insist that the burden of proof of such a ridiculous rhetorical claim is mine.
    Might want to dig up an old grad 7 textbook and review what burden of proof is all about.
     
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    Antropic principle. If things were not the way they are, we would not be here. Not the other way around, the universe creating conditions so that we could exist.

    Who or what is the Watchmaker's Watchmaker? Your "answer" introduces a problem of infinite regression.
     
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    The reports of these witnesses are what we take and sort out to discover The Truth, which is Christ.

    It is the same with the Bible, that God is NOT the scriptures, themselves, but the story which helps us identify God.
     
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    Nah,...
    The mind is a tool we use that can describe Truth for us and that is what saves us from going against Reality and not preparing ahead to anticipate its behavior in the future.
    There is no other intelligence than this kind at work at all.

    The Force behind the ever unfolding Reality is what we mus bow down to, or become extinct.
     
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    Exactly.
    The Reality which we love inside is master and the lord that can save us from it , and can accommodate us to it, is His son, i.e.; Truth.
     
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    Yes, we are all part of a team that must discover how to bow down to the force of the Reality which keeps coming, one step future each moment.
    Like ants and bees, we must learn to work to survive the cataclysms which we know are coming sooner or later.
    We can not keep killing each other with wars and selfishness.
     
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    There is amply evidence of and for Reality, if that is your "God."
    Truth is the evidence, of course.

    Our sciences demonstrate Truth clearly and experiments all can be done over and over again, showing the same results.
     
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    I have no god.
     
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    Face Reality or suffer the insanity of a fantasy world then.

    Reality is a very jealous god, and His doom follows foolishness.
     
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