Sen Warren is double vaxed and boosted.. and still just tested positive for the China Virus

The people who have been most confused are those of us who have tried to follow the information the government has disseminated about the vaccine and what it does.

 

well maybe this site cleared it up for them, course I do not think they are looking for the truth

 

No. The R0 of measles is 10-12. The R0 of Delta Covid is 6-7. You done been snookered. Again.

Nope. If there are no infected cells you didn’t “get it”. You have millions of potentially pathogenic microorganisms in your body that don’t infect your cells until there is trauma or immune dysfunction.

Of course vaccines stop you from “getting” viral infections. Even your innate immune system can prevent you from “getting” infected after the virus is in your body.

 

the vaccine teaches your body to fight off the virus, it does not prevent you from getting it

if you "look" sick while contagious also plays into how fast a virus spreads, as when people look sick they are more likely to self-quarantine and people more likely to social distance from them

 

The official information floats.

 

not to anti-vaxxers, they only look for conspiracy theory sites it seems

 

Call it conspiracy or defense of the status quo. We've had conflicting rulings on masks when masks and social distance and soap were the only defenses available. Then we got the vaccine, get one because the virus will destroy your organs if you don't. Now that implies it will prevent getting sick to my mind. Then, get the vaccine or you're a threat to everyone's grandma and a dirty rotten scoundrel for it. Then if we don't get the shots we are spreading the virus and killing people and that was the President telling us that. All these threats treated the vaccine as if it is a barrier, a preventive measure. Then people who were vaccinated started getting sick and we discovered break through infections, not to worry, very uncommon. Now it's don't worry, it won't put you in the hospital and kill you.

This crap is stupid. The damned virus does what it does and the people in charge of the fight haven't a clue what to do about it. I guess they gotta say something though. Get the shots if you think it will help, I did. I ain't anti vax but I am anti lies and anti power grab.

 

Because the vaccines prevent serious illness the vast majority of the time, at least with variations prior to Omicron.

Instead of whining, why don't you do a little research about how coronaviruses mutate? There is only so much that medical science and politicans can do about it. The rest is up to YOU.

 

Are you saying covid is less contagious than smallpox??? Seriously dude, just stop. You don't a clue what you're talking about.

 

And the person you are replying to is a perfect case in point. And these types of people still have the gall to speak authoritatively. You can't make it up.

 

Of course. That’s why I spend so much time discussing the implications of asymptomatic infections. For a PCR test to detect SARS-CoV-2 infection with any degree of accuracy the viral infection must be active for 2-5 days on average. Even when symptoms present on day 5 (average) after first infection, PCR only returns a true positive 80% of the time. So yes, there must be (or have been) an active infection of human cells and viral replication to test positive. Of course viral RNA can persist in the body for around 90 days after initial infection, but there had to be an actual infection for this to show up in a test. Same for antigen tests. For antigen to be detectable in blood there must be infected cells.

Masks can prevent SARS-CoV-2 from entering the body. LOL

Again, virus being in your body IS NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH INFECTION. Infection only occurs if virus is able to inject it’s genetic material into a living cell. Period. Full stop.

Vaccination can prevent virus in your body from injecting genetic code into your cells (infection) and subsequently replicating.

We can’t just use the term “immunity” for all situations. There is “sterilizing immunity” such as we see with measles vaccines where over 90% of infections are prevented for 50+ years and “functional immunity” like we see after influenza vaccination where maybe 50% of infections are prevented and that efficacy of prevention only lasts a few months. Two totally different types of immunity. One reason smallpox doesn’t exist is because the vaccines behaved more like sterilizing immunity than functional immunity. I’m not sure I understand the argument “if a disease was around there would be infected people”. Yes. When there are infected people the disease isn’t eradicated. When there are no infections it’s eradicated.

It’s my understanding smallpox was the main culprit but I would be interested to learn more about the impact of influenza on natives if you have more information.

I would agree some asymptomatic infections are not detrimental. However some are. Many who are unaware they have influenza die of heart attack or stroke or have silent heart attacks several days after influenza infection.

Agree. Symptoms are irrelevant. The relevant metric with viruses is whether or not they inject genetic material into your cells and replicate. No entrance into cells, no infection.

Exactly. I would say there has been infection if we can detect an immune response. An immune response of antibody and memory cell production is only possible if cells are infected. If seroconversion of antibodies occurs there has been infection. If memory B and/or T cells are detectable an infection has occurred. This can’t be known in real time but can be after the fact. Not every infection produces all three components, but at least one would be detectable after infection because without one of the three being detectable there would have been no immune response and the individual would be deceased. This kind of testing is costly and time consuming.

Using PCR isn’t accurate for determining infection. Too many false negatives. But I agree a positive test most likely means active/past infection. Excluding very rare false positives.

 

Denying science repeatedly doesn’t make it not denial. Many vaccines (including Covid vaccines) prevent infection to varying degrees.

Sure. That’s one reason Covid vaccination doesn’t reduce spread much. Peak viral load is similar to unvaccinated and the asymptomatic rate goes from 40% in unvaccinated to 80% in vaccinated. So there are more asymptomatic contagious folks running around.

 

@557 I appreciate the depth and breadth of your knowledge on this subject and I appreciate your tone even while addressing sneering jackasses.

 

In the first place, while the smallpox vaccine was actually a real vaccine, these shots today are NOT vaccines, they are gene editing devices, as David Martin pointed out about 11 months ago.

Secondly, this is a well planned scam meant to wreak havoc with the human race and its societies. Mission Accomplished!

 

the vaccine has been out for almost a year now, it's been shown to be very safe and effective, that is better than studies, that is real world, with millions having already taken it

 

they are, because you can see the disease, meaning they self quarantine and people avoid them

 

yep, asymptomatic spreaders they call them

if there is more vaccinated running around, yes, more vaccinated will be spreading, does not mean the vaccine is not working, maybe not for as long or as much, but they will be

 

Technically, a traditional vaccine infects your body with a weakened piece of the offending pathogen. In response, your body fights off and defeats the attenuated pathogen, and the result is your body develops antibodies and more.

 

Effective at what? It doesn't keep you from getting infected or from infecting people you may come into contact with. We are going to have to get boosters every 6 months and truth is 6 months is probably too long. There is an outbreak in the WH as we speak and they are mostly vaccinated. The most surprising thing about that is that there are people working in the WH in various positions that have not been vaccinated. All those should have been the very first to lose their jobs by Presidential mandate. I've been fully vaccinated since it first became available and I haven't gotten Covid but then I didn't get it before there was a vaccine either. My brothers and sisters have all had Covid after they were fully vaccinated as has my oldest son and his wife. Break through infections I reckon.

I know you're a true believer but just what is it you believe these days?

 

My point is a vaccinated individual can be more likely to infect others than an unvaccinated individual in certain circumstances, regardless of what percentage of people are vaccinated.

Considering all the commotion throughout the pandemic concerning responsibility to not infect others, I think it’s important people realize being vaccinated doesn’t mean they can’t unknowingly infect others. I don’t see vaccination as a license to spread Covid if one criticized those who didn’t mask etc. earlier in the pandemic.

 

Effective at keeping people out of the hospital and from dying

vaccines do not keep you from getting covid, that is not their function, they help train the body to fight off covid if you do get it

 

Second booster? Is that already a thing?

 

nope, either can infect others if they are infected and contagious

 

Obviously someone slipped her a covid blanket as a gift.

 

LOL. I just said both can. In some cases the vaccinated is more likely to infect others however.