Seriously, why do you fear Universal Healthcare as a solution for US?

That has nothing to do with my post. I didn't say anything about quality, or the WHO. I talked about quality of life for the younger adults. Where most of the US young adults are living alone, driving their own car, and surviving off one job because they chose not to pay for a commodity they didn't want. Young adults in the EU are forced to pay for that stuff they don't want or use and can't have the other freedoms and commodities we take for granted in the US.

 

Prove it. People in the uk love the NHS...you can't get elected dog catcher if you say you want to do away with it

 

I'll be fair, right now I have the best BC/BS/Anthem offers @ just under $1500 a year with a 3K OOP obligation, hold my Insurance contribution to that rate and quality and the lefty's and socialists can do whatever they like!

 

My money is not your money. From what I understand, you already have more of it than I do. So what's so hard about keeping your greedy hands off mine?

 

That is how our system works. If you don't like it you can move to that libertarian paradise....where is that again? Lol

 

As I pointed out in my first post in this thread, most of the criteria used by the WHO is useless and subjective. The only stat that matters is that the US scores above all others for outcomes of like diseases.

I am looking for the article I based that on and will edit this post when I do.

 

I disagree but will be happy to read your evidence

 

I'm sorry, I didn't get an answer to that.

Why can't you leave my money alone?

 

Prove what? The price for medical care doesn't really change just because the doctor is being paid by the government over the insurance company or individual. If anything, it would go down if the individual was the one paying. Like in the past when mostly individual paid for doctor's calls or visits, the price was lower because of a few reasons, people didn't go see a doctor for every little bump and scratch or cough. People had less disposable money than insurance companies and the doctors knew this, so they charged what the market could bear. Now the insurance companies are still negotiating prices, but they can't bring doctors below a profit margin, but people don't see how much they are really paying for doctor's visits when its through the insurance company, so they just keep using it for everything as long as the insurance will pay for the visit. Well, guess who has even more money than insurance companies? The government. But instead of people voluntarily paying for a coverage that suits their needs, like how a 20 y/o single male, or a 80 y/o male, doesn't always need maternity coverage, they will be forced to cover these items through being taxed for unneeded services they will never use.

 

Guess what a MRI costs on England? How about abilify in Canada? Or how about any medical procedure or hospital stay? Costs are often a third of what they are here. Those are the facts

 

Because we don't want to. Was that clear enough?

 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...alth-care-quality-that-world-doesnt-know.html

only an opinion piece but it works for me.

 

It basically says if you have great insurance you will get good care. That ignores millions of americans

 

And if you add in what the government pays from their end, which is only able to paid after collecting taxes? Up front, you might pay $15, but every paycheck and every purchase you make, you have paid for that medication or MRI procedure through taxes. If you never needed a medication till you were 50, or MRI till 40, you had been taxed for 25+ years for nothing, and surely not getting top dollar for your money since you are also paying the bureaucrats that decide if they will even allow you to get the medical care you desire.

 

Look at surveys about the govt school quality. Look at surveys about approval rates of Congress as a whole, then compare that same survey to approval of individual politicians.

In both cases, you will see that respondents HATE them, but theirs is great and the exception to the rule.

 

And why EU and Canadians who can afford it still chose to come to the US for treatment.

 

Yes. If you are rich we have a great system. It sucks for many others

 

In single payer countries the government pays a third of the price for these things than we do. Those are the facts

 

Once again...you are asking me to do what you are supposed to do when you make one of your absurd assertions.

So...if there are BILLIONS of examples of what you said...

...how about offering ONE.

 

no, it says that outcomes for care of similar diseases is superior in the US to all of these countries that rank higher by the WHO.

If you want to get into cost and accessibility, you can start with my original post in this thread and we can expand on that. If you havent already made up your mind, you will quickly realize that the evil corporations are but a small piece of the puzzle. There are FAR more significant things to address than them.

 

Perhaps.

And perhaps you are just accepting your puppet master's requirements.

I don't know for sure...but why deal with "perhaps?"

 

Medicare is far more efficient than private insurance. That is just one example

 

Golly, so many inaccurate assumptions, where to start? First I'd simply point out that government directed acceptable pricing never ever gets to a point where market drives cost reduction. It simply retains it's acceptable cost. This obviously doesn't drive cost reduction but codifies it's cost. So, competitiveness becomes a directive of administrative prioritization instead of market review. The administrative priority rarely ever reflects the market, so it become inefficient as priority is misdirected from appropriate use to fiat use.

I would simply point out the failure that is the Veterans' Administration. Clearly, the model you have to evaluate today, and clearly the failure that demonstrates both the inefficiency and the scandal that is government provided health care.

 

It is only better if you have good insurance and can get care. Guess what the outcome is for a heart patient with no insurance

 

So...you are one of the people who think that the United States is not able to do what almost all the other industrialized nations of the world can do regarding healthcare for its population.

Okay.

You must be a conservative. Mostly American conservatives feel this way about the United States.

That's one of the reasons I think American conservatism is such a pile of dung.