Settlements in Judea and Samaria are legal

Many readers are/were under the impression since 1967 that Judea and Samaria are disputed areas, the Israeli have rejected this as not equivalent to their rights to settle the old patrimony... As of late an official document surfaced and gives legitimacy to their wishes. HB

Download Historic Document: Judea and Samaria Not 'Occupied'

~by Gil Ronen

"After having considered the terms of reference set out in the Commission's mandate, and in light of what we have heard, as well as the considerable body of material presented to us by a wide range of bodies, our conclusions and recommendations are as follows:

"Our basic conclusion is that from the point of view of international law, the classical laws of 'occupation' as set out in the relevant international conventions cannot be considered applicable to the unique and sui generis historic and legal circumstances of Israel's presence in Judea and Samaria, over the course of decades.

"Therefore, according to international law, Israelis have the legal right to settle in Judea and Samaria and the establishment of settlements cannot, in and of itself, be considered to be illegal."

So begin the conclusions of the report of the Commission to Examine the Status of Building in Judea and Samaria, a legal panel headed by Supreme Court Justice (ret.) Edmund Levy.

The committee goes on to say that, "With regard to settlements established in Judea and Samaria on state lands or on land purchased by Israelis with the assistance of official authorities such as the World Zionist Organization Settlements Division and the Ministry of Housing, and which have been defined as 'unauthorized' or 'illegal'" – administrative blockages imposed on the planning and zoning authorities "must be removed immediately."

Pending completion of procedures granting valid building permits, the state "is advised to avoid carrying out demolition orders, since it brought about the present situation by itself."

An English translation of the historic document has been made available to the public for download in .pdf format by the government, at this url.

Tags: Edmund Levy ,Outposts ,construction approva

Go there http://www.pmo.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/42C25B01-428B-40FC-8A6B-E9B1F5315D74/0/edmundENG100712.pdf l

 

Yes, it is all legal under the Talmudic Noahide laws adopted by the USA as local, national and international policy.

The goyim must submit to their Talmudic masters.

 

HBendor's "proof of legality" is ludicrous. What the authors of this travesty are arguing is that the Jewish experience is so unique that the usual rules regarding occupation and annexation of territory in the modern world somehow doesn't apply to them. I'm amazed even HB thought this piece of trash was a convincing argument - it's legally equivalent to Mein Kampf being a justification for the persecution of Jews.

 

Under US adopted Noahide laws, they don't need a convincing argument. And, it is not legal for any goyim to challenge their decisions.

 

Total unadulterated hogwash !

On November 29th, 2012, the United Nations recognised the Palestinian State to include your archaic reference to what is actually the West Bank. The West Bank is LEGALLY Palestinian. And always has been. Zionists, go home.

 

Your ignoring the property Jews legally purchased from the Palestinians. They got Deeds not the Palestinians.

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Your ignoring the property Jews legally purchased from the Palestinians. They got Deeds not the Palestinians.

 

Nothing like starting with a conclusion and then trying to excuse/justify it.

Bendor, no matter what piece of legal sophistry the "annexers" spout, the fact remains that annexation (settlement) on land recognized by virtually the entire world as belonging to the palestinians will forever be illegal in the eyes of virtually the entire world.

If you and your confreres are so sure of this legal position, why not take it to the International Court, get the favourable ruling you seem so sure of and tell the rest of the world and more specifically the palestinians to shove it?

 

Speaking of hogwash... I wish you well Jonsa.

Taking the case to the international court is the duty of the squatters not the owners.
They have to prove ownership... we do not because history and archeology are standing witnesses to this fact..
And Jonsa we did not take land from Palestinians because there WAS NEVER A PALESTINE in the first place!!!

 

Okay there was never a palestine in the first place.

BUT and here is the big ironic BUT, Israel, by its very actions has helped to create Palestine, by virtue of its wars and occupation. Despite your ignoring of facts (as opposed to ignorance) that YOUR GOVERNMENT has recognized the palestinian's legitimate existence and claims to the land, you continue to claim that a couple of centuries of jewish occupation some 2,000 years ago empowers the descendants to "repossess" the land.

If the roman conquest didn't abbrogate any claim of jewish sovereignty, then the various waves of christian, arab, turk invasions whose possession of the lands lasted many times longer than the puny little ancient kingdom of Israel. Interestingly, they also can claim both "historic" and archeological evidence that stands witness to their possession.

If any of the immigrating jews in the 20th century came bearing land titles from 2000 years ago, one would think that they would have been registered. But you also use impeccable logic. when I use it I can just see ol Saul who owned a big farm of some 50 dunum (he had many slaves to work the land) just north of the swamp now called tel aviv in the year 40BCE (well before the diaspora). so what you are claiming is that his 1,492,254 descendants can all claim ownership of that farm.

(BTW, the above piece of sophistry is also somewhat relevant to the palestinian "right of return" nonsense given their birth rates since 1948.)

 

Why do you consider the 'right of return' to be nonsense because of their birth rates? Simply because the right of return if carried out with those of Israeli descent returning to their village, that of their father or mother or that of their grandfather or grandmother would end Israel - just like if they had not been expelled Israel would no longer be. However, my Mother was Irish. If I want Irish citizenship, all I have to do is to fill in the forms and pay for the paperwork and Irish citizenship is mine as a right. I do not even need to go and live there. If my daughter however wanted to claim Irish citizenship she would be expected to live there. Why do you believe that it is nonsense for the Palestinians to claim the same rights that are claimed by people throughout the world?

Palestinians need their Statehood acknowledged. Many still live in refugee camps outside Palestine with no rights as to other citizens. Others live in poor conditions in Palestine, either the West Bank or Gaza and others have become citizens of other States. Regardless of their situation. Palestinians en masse claim they need their right of return to be recognised. They need this not because they all want to return but because it is who they are. It is their history, their identity.

Not all Palestinians would wish to return and it is already known that they would be pragmatic and accept only a token number to return to Israel but they all need their right to return as is theirs by International law recognised. Have a look at the PIJ paper on this. They suggest that the Right to Return be recognised for all. They all have Palestinian Statehood. However as already said, some are already happily living elsewhere and would be unlikely to physically return. For those living in Arab Refugee camps the suggestion is that through discovering the actual desires of the people, agreement be made to allow some who show the desire to be citizens of Arab States and the rest may gradually return to Palestine in a way not to overwhelm - but what they all need is for them to be recognised as Palestinians and for the history of what happened to them to be acknowledge.

The Right to Return is a perfectly addressable problem.


Now if Israel does not manage to change real quick so as to allow a viable, congruous 2 state solution, which I believe is already impossible, then yes, I guess they may well wish to return to what is now Israel but that is a different question

http://www.pij.org/pijpapers/refugees_pijpaper.pdf

 

Frankly I don't see an agreement without solving the refugee problem but more than money there are political issues so like I said before, Israel should not take full responsibility, Israel gained land and lost lives through Arab aggression, it's only fair that Israel will pay together with the Arab league. that's my view.

 

And this coming from somebody who has very recently posted a list of book titles for our further education- many of which describe Palestine- even in their titles - dating from the 19th century and later

Zionists, be aware that you are in breach of the law.

Knowing that you are committing crimes draws harsher sentences.

 

What is 'ludicrous' is the baseless statements i.e. (above) that you keep on rehashing to illicit some attention.
What is NOT LUDICROUS in your eyes? Please enumerate one and all legal arguments that would in reality debunk my piece.
While you are looking... have a nice day.

 

I'll tell you what's ludicrous. Posting a list of antique titles about Palestine whilst simultaneously claiming that no such land existed. Now that's rich in the ol' ' lude' , is it not ?

 

Frankly using phantasmagoric statements i.e. above would NOTbe considered a starter nor make any changes whatsoever... Jews are descendants of Old Israel that has been Reconstituted... sooooo no amount of uncorroborated strident statements from your part would change the Status Quo on the ground.

Wake up and smell the coffee!... I am repeating for the umpteenth time that the so called "PALESTINE" is part of southern Syria and not a Country/State that was once independent... Again I must repeat notwithstanding the GA resolution that Palestine is the name of an Area and not or used to be an independent entity. Its like making Brooklyn, Bronx... TWO independent countries from New York.

 

Ah, now we see attempts to qualify aspects of an entity claimed not to exist at all.

Of course, all attempts to write Palestine out of history have been ludicrous. Those that try always trip themselves up sooner or later. Let's remind readers again that the United Nations recognised the State of Palestine on the pre-1967 borders on November 29th, 2012. Zionism is torpedoed. The West Bank is forever Palestinian.

 

History and archaeology are irrelevant. The law-International Law, which I should remind you Israel is obliged to abide by, being a signatory to the UN Charter-is what is salient here. You can dig up as many old coins as you like and it won't prove a thing-other than someone dropped it.

 

I think it proves alot but still doesnt change the fact that ppl already live there and have the right to continue living there.

 

What is not ludicrous is that Israeli law should be expected to be reasonably close to the standard of international law for developed nations.

What is not ludicrous is the idea of treating the rights of the inhabitants of land for the past hundreds of years as at least as important as those of people who haven't lived there for 1,600 years.

What is not ludicrous is that the West Bank Palestineans should not be denied Israeli citizenship in Eretz Israel (Israel including Judea and Samaria) when Israeli Arabs are basically those Palestineans who didn't flee original Israel in 1948-49. Did the West Bank Palestineans flee in 1967-68? Not the ones still living there!

What is not ludicrous is the claims of comparatively recent refugees from their land to their land being at least as valid as the claims of any Jew to arrive in Israel and consider it their country (except for the Falasha, of course).

What is not ludicrous is the idea of expecting Israeli law and its justice system to actually enforce their own laws with respect to actions by the Settler movement that are illegal under Israeli law.

What is not ludicrous is for the nation that trumpets past UN decisions when it suits them yet insists the UN is irrelevant and other of its decisions should be ignored make its mind up to be consistent on this issue.

What is not ludicrous is for Israel to admit that the expectation that they would administer the West Bank on behalf of its conquered people was not a mandate to dispossess those conquered people and drive them out into the desert.

What is not ludicrous is the idea of rejecting labelling people "squatters" who have lived on the same land for three generations or a dozen generations or two dozen generations or more.

What is not ludicrous is pointing out the betrayal of the interests of the Bedu in the Negev by the Israeli government, after they made efforts to coexist and accept the Israeli state. Their involvement with terrorists came after the betrayal and not before.

 

Even W. Bush managed to get a couple shill attorneys to pen a document that TORTURE was legal!!!

Of course, additional documents don't somehow magically change existing statutes, unless, and ONLY unless, the new document is itself a statute..

You can write all the legal justifications you want, get whoever you want to sign it, stamp it with whatever, unless it is actually a statute, it changes nothing. Most people know this.

 

Absolutely; the Palestinians have every right to the land they and their ancestors have been living on for centuries. The Zionist squatters have no right to build on that Palestinian land, no matter how anyone tries to spin it, and international law is being blatantly disregarded by Israel, apparently as irrelevant. They presumably had homes from where they moved in order to steal the homes of Palestinians. They can go back to those homes; an illegally evicted Palestinian family has no home to go to.

 

irrelevant, the un decides legality on these issues, and they have been very clear all settlements on occupied territory are completely illegal and always will be. suck on that.

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they have zero right to live there. if I turn up at your door tonight, kick you out of your house and move in, do I then have a right to live there ?

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israelis are the new nazis its completely undeniable

 

Its not kicking ppl out of their homes, its building on their terretory, places where they could/should build, but its not kicking them out of their villages.

Perhaps you need to read more about it, read some more about the Nazis as well, I think your knowledge lacks in that area too.

 

This is flagrant deception. ' Palestine Remembered ' has full details of every village and habitat in Palestine which has been destroyed/ethnically cleansed or taken over by Zionism's brutal adherents. You can even buy a detailed map- which I suggest that everybody does, including neoZionist apologists. Sderot, for example, was a Palestinian village, Najd. Its Palestinians owners were killed or forced into Gaza. Who do you think fires rockettes at it ?

Here's the link for Palestine Remembered
http://palestineremembered.com/
By supporting this project you will be striking at the heart of Zionist deception. The map is high quality and the service is efficient.

 

and the situation continues. Breaking the Silence tells how if a Jewish family wants a home or shops in Hebron, they would just take them with the help of the army.

Everyone please watch this film. This is my land - Hebron http://www.mercurymedia.org/programmes/this-is-my-landhebron/

I can also remember last year jfjfp had video of settlers attacking Palestinians and throwing them from their land which they wanted, watched by Israeli peace activists also attacked and IDF who let the settlers get on with it - can't remember if they helped to beat the activists and Palestinians up or not, - but they certainly did not stop it. May look for film later.