Shellie Zimmerman ~ *Doubtful of his Innocence*

It was brought to a logical conclusion based on the evidence. What is that conclusion again?

And the premise of you assertion that Zimmerman knew the suspicious person he was watching was a child is..............

And you have something to refute his sworn statement?

While he was in the car he was observing him. When Martin ran off Zimmerman had no idea where he was. When Zimmerman was on the phone with NEN at the perimeter street he had no idea where Martin was. When he turned and walked back to the T junction he had no idea where Martin was. So how was he following someone, whom even by their admittance as he told the girl friend he had lost Zimmerman, when you have no idea where they are?

Under certain circumstances they can be can't they.

 

You mean I "may" want to Google it.
You'd be wrong.

Unless you're neighborhood watch and there is a suspicious stranger in your neighborhood.
I doubt the age of Martin was known by Zimmerman.
Or are you now assigning "pedo" to the long list of negative labels you guys have assigned Zimmerman ?

Sorry.. that was supposed to be plural.
And no.

Used in the trial as evidence, and it is all we have.
So yes... reached for his gun.

I never claimed otherwise.

A stranger in the gated community is suspicious enough to keep an eye on.

Zimmerman, the out of control fool that he is, doesn't seem to have done anything illegal that night.

Can't say the same for Martin.

Ask the witnesses.

 

We've been through this Rose. The message is sit in your car and wait for the police to arrive if they've already been called, especially when dangerous people could be lurking in the dark

 

And what puzzles me, if I assume you have ears, if you don't I apologize, but you know he only left after asked which way he ran off. I presume you can also hear him say, hes gone, so Trayvon had ran off, then reappeared. I dont understand why that means dick to you, quite honestly.

 

I wish the lunacy could come to a consensus... wait in the car after calling the police? Or is that not enough "concern" ?

 

Oh I definitly do not question his innocence as defined by the verdict of the court. I am not convinced his story was accurate.

 

The original assertion was 'criminal behavior'. You've changed that to 'criminal'. They are not interchangeable.

You demand proofs where none are required. An accusation has a different threshold of proofs than what is required in a court of law. Its within an accepted envelope of reason that Martin stole the jewelry given the circumstances. Women's jewelry, he didn't own it, he didn't say who did, he let the PD keep it forever for free and lastly the owner never came forward to claim it. Its disingenuous to maintain that it wasn't stolen.


Respectfully,

 

Fair enough . What do they say ? The truth is often somewhere in the middle ?

 

The watch he had can be bought for $3.99 on Ebay..

There was no appraisal so it could have been purchased at any flea market in Florida.

 

Thank you for your post,
By your own admission you say that the basis for your instincts are not born of a familiarity of the case. Even more, is that you are willing to offer an opinion on a thing while good information is available! You're in luck, I will be you mentor!(sorry, I couldn't resist lol).
Seriously though, you say that Zimmerman "got himself into a situation". This is somewhat vague. How did he did that? Remember, while your claim may be literally true you didn't offer it as literal but burdened the claim with an accusation against Zimmerman. For instance, I could say that if the real estate developer at Twin Lakes didnt build the complex, Martin would still be alive. While literally true, I piggy backed an accusation onto it against the developer which has no basis.
Exactly what action by Zimmerman was outside the range of acceptable reason for a watchman AND a citizen who isn't incumbered by boundaries by a government entity? Lastly, judge Zimmerman by his real time actions and not from a perspective of someone a year later privy to who Martin actually was(tangenteople assume that the pot smoking, jewelry stealing Martin factually wasn't casing homes).
Well almost lastly, vague narratives that are not predicated on facts and law are pretty easy to project. The more facts that you are a slave to and the more law that you are a slave to the narrower your narrative becomes, to a point that your narrative is untenable.

Respectfully,

 

We ARE pretty inconsistant. Funny, the judge that sentences the dope peddler to 20 years in prison will probably be at a strip joint the next day getting drunk and paying 18 year old girls to dance naked, before he goes to the 'track', which is after he buys some lotto tickets which is after he watches a live boxing match at the Golden Gloves where 13 year old boys beat each other unconscious! LOL.

 

And the other 12 pieces of jewelry ?

And the scraped up screwdriver that looked like it was used as a burglary tool ?

Not sure how a lower value makes it OK to steal, but your logic is certainly consistent.

 

Good grief.. Do you know anything at all about Golden Gloves.. or do you simply shoot off your mouth?

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Where is your evidence.. Speculation is insufficient. Scraped up? There is no evidence that the screw driver was 'scraped up".. You should work for Glenn Beck.

 

To add to your post, the Sanford Police say to rely on your "instincts" and to call them with your suspicions even if those suspicious are "unwarranted". They also say that it is "better to be overly suspicious". Being suspicious also includes "concealing an item"(Zimmerman said Martin had something in his pocket). Being suspicious also includes "gang" related attire. Being suspicious also includes "running" according to the PD.
If you read the entire Watch Program from the Sanford PD, Zimmerman done EXACTLY everything that they defined. The program states to call 911 if there is a threat to life or property, but to call non emergency with simple suspicions. Zimmerman had called 911 and non emergency multitudes of times. He knew the difference. According to Zimmerman, Martin wasn't doing anything criminal at the moment but felt that he was suspicious. Lastly, no where does it say not to see where the suspect is going by walking or running in their direction. I have never seen an anti Zimmermanite or the Left Wing cite this source and its contents. They DO refer to the Watch programs rules but they don't even know what those rules are or where they came from. They don't care. For when they lie, they speak their native language.

Download Sanford Police Department Neighborhood Watch Binder 4.25

 

How pathetic.. wearing a hoodie and off white jeans is NOT "gang related attire"...

Are you in your right mind?

 

I have a pretty liberal buddy from highschool. He was a huge pot head and while we never had a falling out, we just went our seperate ways. But we hung out in highschool. He's on my facebook now.


Of course, when the entire Zimmerman case started, he fell on the Pro-trayvon side of things.


"smoking pot doesn't make you aggressive"

of course, when I reminded him of what he said back in highschool when he was trying to convince me to take a hit.... (I didn't)... he said "it doesn't lead to anything else like hard drugs... it makes me want to do one of two things.... Fight or Fuxx" he couldn't remember saying that.


Agenda is often forgetfull whenever it's convenient

 

Instead of insulting someone, why not educate yourself. Just google gang attire, I know you won't, but the information is out there. I find that more helpful to educate then start insulting someone.

 

I would sat that it was pot considering the THC found in his system, the pot residue in his backpack and the mini-bong that he had. I suppose that he lit his pot by rubbing some sticks together!

 

I went for a walk this AM about dawn in light jeans and a hoodie.. Are you nuts?

 

It doesn't mean dick to me because none of that running off and reappearing would have happened if Zimmerman would have done the wise and smart thing, and stayed in his car.

 

What evidence refuted it, they presented none in court and the original investigators said they found none to refute it. So other than wishful thinking what is the basis of your not being convinced?

 

Lol....

Zimmerman... the owner of the black youth's minds.

It's all his fault that Trayvon ran off, could have went home, but decided to come BACK to the scene.

All Zimmerman's fault.

 

Well, how do you justify knowing what a kid you never met would do? Can you not bring yourself to listen to the tape and rationalize why he got out of that car, I mean you hear the door open after the question from the operator. But hey, we all see and can comprehend different things. You portray him as so eager to chase when there is no evidence there at all, but maybe thats one of those things only you and a few others see, and others don't, I dont know.

 

Sure if that was the one piece it would be dismissed but are you asserting he went to a flea market and by sheer coincidence he bought the same articles that had been stolen in a previous days burglary near the school he attended?

"On October 21st 2011 a burglary took place a few blocks from Krop Senior High School where Trayvon Martin attended. The stolen property outlined in the Miami-Dade Police Report (PD111021-422483) matches the descriptive presented by SRO Dunn in his School Police report 2011-11477."
http://theconservativetreehouse.com...ckpack-with-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/

 

So you're gonna stick with the insulting thing instead.


I guess if that's better than the education, might as well work with what ya have.