Sheriff Joe Arpaio research team finds Obama birth record definitely forged.

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  1. SFJEFF

    SFJEFF New Member

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    Not as if you really wanted to 'discuss' Arpaio's findings. This is just you stirring the pot.

    You posted links to Arpaio's findings- Wong posted links refutting Arpaio's findings- and then you say he isn't discussing the findings.

    Here is my contribution to the discussion.

    Arpaio and Zullo's presentation of their so-called investigation contains at least one purposeful lie- when they claim to be using a 1961 table but instead are using a 1968 table. They knowingly and purposively lie about this in order to make the claim they make.

    Likewise, you are knowingly passing on a Birther lie about what Obama's attorney said. You know that she never said such a thing and are just passing it on to stir up the pot.

    This is a regular pattern among Birthers- using lies, and passing on lies, in order to create suspicion in the minds of gullible people about Barack Obama.


    Now- if you ever want a real discussion about anything- lay it out. You want to discuss Arpaio's findings- you present them in your own words and why you find them credible- and I will be glad to discuss why I think they are not credible.

    But if you just cut and paste from Arpaio's newsconference or WND or some Birther fan site, I will just cut and paste from the many sites that have done the actual analysis and shown that Arpaio and Zullo are full of BS.

    And if you want to keep presenting the lie about Obama's attorney, then I will just have to point out once again that you are lying. You want to discuss what she said- well first present a transcript of her words and then we can discuss what she said.
     
  2. Day of the Candor

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    I've been reading all these posts and the one basic thing you Obama supporters never ever admit is that instead of making a direct copy of Obama's longform BC and posting it, they used software to manufacture a complicated, multilayered image that isn't even in sync with the rest of the Hawaiian birth records for August 4, 1961. You think we birthers are being evasive? Until you look at the actual proof that Obama submitted as being a copy of his BC then you miss the whole point. You don't get the fact that whether it's Arpaio's researchers or any of the hundreds of others who have called this BC out as a fraud and a forgery, the real problem lies in what Obama put out there as the real BC.

    As far as transcripts of Alexandra Hill go, here's why you can't bring these up on YouTube or anywhere else. Obama's lawyers fixed it so you can't see them, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2874143/posts Pollycy says to hell with it and just wait for November. I am not so understanding and forgiving. I think that if Obama is really nothing but an illegal alien he should be impeached, removed from office, and deported back to where ever he really came from.
     
  3. SFJEFF

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    Before I waste time going to get the links- do you really want a real discussion or just want to post the Birther mantra, and you aren't coming back to the conversation. If you are in for a real discussion- let me know and I will continue.



    Free Republic is your reference? Seriously? The reasons that there are no transcripts of her saying it is because she didn't say it. It is purely a Birther manufacture.

    The transcripts of her at the court are available- it was a Birther lie.

    So tell me- is it more important for you to prove that Obama is not really possible President or is the truth more important?
     
  4. randlepatrickmcmurphy

    randlepatrickmcmurphy Well-Known Member

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    LOL The TITLE of this thread is an opinion. Sheriff Birther's opinion that he had a smoking gun. Instead Sheriff Birther's opinion is once again wrong as every official in Hawaii has already come out and said the BC is legit. Comical.
     
  5. WongKimArk

    WongKimArk Banned

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    That's already the plan.
     
  6. randlepatrickmcmurphy

    randlepatrickmcmurphy Well-Known Member

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    Having lived a while in Kenya and having been BORN there are two different things. This needs to be explained? Not interesting at all.
     
  7. randlepatrickmcmurphy

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    randlepatrickmcmurphy Well-Known Member

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    Now I see where the birthers are getting their talking points. The Freeper forum! LOL My Gawd...:whisper:
     
  9. WongKimArk

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    Anybody who actually believes that is an incompetent bloviator who does not know the first thing about the technology of creating images for posting to the Internet.

    The image posted at Whitehouse.gov is a perfectly ordinary optimized scan of a genuine sealed and certified Hawaiian long form birth certificate. There is exactly zero evidence of any forgery. It is identical to other Hawaiian birth certificates from the same time period, the paper document has been handled, photographed and reported on by independent third party journalists, and it has been repeatedly declared authentic by the only authority on the planet qualified to do so; the State of Hawaii.

    "Evasive?" That's the objection you think we have about Birthers? "Evasive?"

    No... we believe Birthers are liars, slanderers, poltroons and prevaricators. We believe that Birthers are motivated by the most base of atavistic hatreds, prejudices and bigotries, and all of their faults are magnified by the fact that few of them are very smart.

    "Evasive?" That would be a compliment if said about a Birther. And I can offer no Birther a compliment.

    I know that image like the back of hand. I know its every detail both analog and digital. I have repeatedly demonstrated through the last year that I know more about it and understand it better than any and all of the incompetent, amateur Birther "experts" combined. That is why when they realized on March 2nd that they had been wrong for eleven months they also knew full well that I had been telling them so the entire time.

    Listen and listen well... there is no evidence, not even a hint, that either of the two birth certificates released by Obama are anything other than accurate images of authentic birth certificates issued by the State of Hawaii.

    Now you're just being stupid. The entire video of the entire hearing is here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5YanY9sBuu0

    There is nothing "Obama's lawyers" have or can have done to prevent anybody from seeing it, even somebody as confused as you. Watch it. Watch it a dozen times if you will. You will discover that Pollycy's claim is a complete, unadulterated bald face lie.
     
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    Yes, they appear to have been done by agenda-led conservative birthers. Strange how no real experts have done so. Could it be that, in order to authenticate a document, it helps to have the real thing to authenticate, rather than a computer image?
     
  11. Pollycy

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    I almost never, ever use a blog as a credible reference, but I'm supposed to accept Leftwinger blogs as unbiased and accurate? The first few times I really had my teeth kicked down my throat in this Forum I learned to avoid blogs. The only exceptions, and few at that, is when they are written by accredited columnists in such pubs as The Wall Street Journal, The Economist, etc.

    The amazing polarization that has occured among us extends throughout all the propaganda organs -- liberal and conservative. Thus, what many Conservatives find compelling and thought-provoking is bloody-murder anathema to Liberals, and vice-versa. Civil wars get started this way, and if we continue on this alarming trajectory, Jeff, it is not unimaginable that something like that could conceivably occur, fantastic though that possibility sounds, and I do not wish it.

    The Arpaio committee will get no traction with its findings regarding the Obama long-form copy of the BC... the Obamanite-dominated liberal media has ignored the story as it has everything else that calls Obama's integrity, truthfulness, and transparency into question. AND, many of these same omissons can be noticed among the supposedly right-wing organs like Fox News. The RINO's that infest and subvert much of what we Conservatives try to support and preserve in the country and the Constitution know that even when there are glaring errors in the Obama "story", it is better to not to be pulling at the thread and risk unravelling the entire garment.

    And, in any event, it's too late now to do anything about Obama anyway. But the polarization and the deep-seated hatred between the political factions has become profound, and it will remain between us for a very long time to come. Lastly, and I do mean this, my grudging salute to all of you in what I call Obama's "Praetorian Guard". You guys are amazing in your loyalty, your zeal, your energy, and the speed of your response to anything and everyone who takes issue with King Hussein on anything. He doesn't deserve you. Cheers....
     
  12. WongKimArk

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    That's not true, and this very thread proves it. You may desperately avoid linking to them, but you certainly have no problem quoting them and relying on them for your idiotic assertions. Your repeated lie about Obama's lawyer "admitting" the BC was a forgery was cut and pasted word for word from Birther blogs, as are all of your other idiotic Birther talking points.

    The "Arpaio committee" will get no traction not because of media bias, but because they have proven themselves to by liars, partisan propagandists and buffoons.
     
  13. Pollycy

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    Hi, Wong, going for an oak-leaf cluster for your Distinguished Service Cross in Obama's Praetorian Guard? "Idiotic", "buffoons", "liars", "propagandists", etc. Yep... that's the "Guard" for you! One man's "(*)(*)(*)(*)" is another man's "sugar"... so have a sweet day, Wong. November is coming!
     
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    This will never be settled without a Congressional inquiry - sort of like the one conducted to confirm McCain's eligibility. Where is Issa when we need him?
     
  15. WongKimArk

    WongKimArk Banned

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    Yet again, having proven that he is completely inadequate to the task of actually defending his demonstrated lies, Pollycy struts like a peahen, pretending feathers he does not possess.

    He never disappoints.
     
  16. WongKimArk

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    There was never a "Congressional inquiry" to confirm McCain's eligibility. There were no hearings, no testimony, no witnesses, no questions asked, no answers given, no documents provided, no evidence discussed.

    There simply was a nonbinding Senate resolution proposed and then voted on. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing else.

    And since Congress (in House Resolution 593) has already declared that Obama was born in Hawaii, your request for a Congressional action " like the one conducted to confirm McCain's eligibility" was granted three years ago.
     
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    LOL... More birthers piling on the lies. There was no Congressional "inquiry" into McCain's eligibility.
     
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    Can you admit that anything you've posted - the lie about what Obama's lawyer said, the lies passed on from Arpaio's "team" - is a lie? Or even that it was mistaken?
     
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    http://24ahead.com/hawaii-health-director-now-says-obama-was-born-hawaii-she-di

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio is claiming that there is a conspiracy by the Hawaii Dept of Health which established in 2009 that Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States.
     
  20. Day of the Candor

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    So its a lie that the image that Obama's damage control team put out was a layered software construction? Why didn't they just put out a simple copy? No matter how much you uber-Leftists kick us in the face, you can't get away from that. And why is the Obama longform BS not in sequence with all the other BCs?
     
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    congress already confirmed he was eligible.
     
  22. Pollycy

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    And so we have come full-circle, and I KNEW it would happen. Obama's Praetorian Guard finally raised enough hell that they managed to get this threat about the Arpaio committee investigation moved to the "Outer Mongolia" of miscellaneous "conspiracy theories". As far as I'm concerned, this conclusively proves the largest point I was trying to make: that is impossible for anyone to open a thread that challenges the Obama birth-mythos in any way without it aftwards being banished off to some little-noticed area of the Forum like "miscellaneous conspiracy theories".

    Where was Obama born? I NO LONGER CARE. The only important thing is to get this naive, incompetent socialist out of the White House, and that is coming!
     
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    Where did I say or imply that you should rely upon any blogs? I asked you to present your own explanation of why you found Arpaio's findings compelling and I would discuss them. But if you just want to present blogs, I will just cut and paste from Blogs too.


    I find the polarization overhyped by the internet. 99% of all Americans are not so polarized, which is why most Americans are ignoring the Birther idiocy. The polarization is just gridlocking our politicians- there is no Civil War on the horizon.

    The media has reported it and the public has shrugged it off. They ignore the lies that Birthers pass on because they are transparent lies. What you find to be 'glaring errors', everyone else recognizes either as lies or misrepresentations or just ordinary anomalies. Just because most people don't agree with you doesn't mean that you are automatically right.


    Too late to do anything about Obama now? November is only a few months away. The political process enshrined in the Constitution affords Obama's opponents to make their case and try to persuade voters that Obama doesnt' deserve to be re-elected.

    What you still don't get- or maybe you just don't care- is the difference between Obama supporters- and those who oppose Birthers. I happen to be someone who will vote for Obama but- you will not find me supporting Obama in every thread here.

    Birthers automatically assume that those who oppose their lies do so because of support of Obama. I do it because I detest the lies. You will find that I opposed the leak of Perry's college records and I think that Obama's demands for Romney's tax records are just as cynical as Obama's opponents calls for his college records.

    You can start a thread saying Obama is the worst President in history and never find a post from me on the topic. But you will find me responding to the Birther threads- it is a hobby of mine.

    What is your excuse for following the Birther threads- you pop up in almost everyone?
     
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    So you don't want a Congressional inquiry?

    Because there never was one for John McCain- the Senate just issued a proclamation saying he was eligible.

    Just like the Senate did recognizing that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    So if you want one just like McCain's- congradulations- it has already been done!
     
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    Because they just scanned it and put it on the internet. Because you can't put a photocopy on the internet.

    I know you won't accept any of this but it bears repeating.
    a) in 2008 Barack Obama published on the internet a copy of his official State of Hawaii issued Birth Certificate.
    b) in 2008 the State of Hawaii confirmed that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
    c) in 2011 Barack Obama requested that the State of Hawaii use their discretion and make two photocopies of his original birth certificate, and certify them as official copies.
    d) Those copies were flown back to Washington, and shown to a room full of reporters.
    e) At least one of those reporters took a photo of the BC with her camera.
    f) Someone then took one of the copies and scanned it, and posted it on the internet.
    g) The State of Hawaii then said that the copy shown by Obama was authentic and that he was born in Hawaii.

    So tell me now- why on earth do you find some silliness about 'layers' relevant? The State of Hawaii has said that the birth certificate that you question the layers about is accurate- and that Obama was born in Hawaii. There is another picture taken by the reporter also on the internet.

    So why is anything about any layers relevant?


    Because it is? Because the only agency who could really make that determination would be the agency with access to ALL birth certificates- and that agency says that Sheriff Joe is 'misinformed'.
     

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