Sheriff Joe Arpaio research team finds Obama birth record definitely forged.

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  1. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    Before all the Obama-lovers start bombarding the moderators with demands to move this thread to Outer Mongolia or delete it altogether, let me say this: I have created this thread because the others that were opened yesterday on this topic were completely propagandized and stuffed with OPINION. They should fairly have been moved to the OPINONS section of the Forum. I requested this of the moderator/administator, but was ignored. Please notice that in this, my opening post, there is not one word of propaganda concerning Obama, or, concerning what he has released as a copy of his Certificate of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii!

    So, now, in order to present this current event AS a straight-news story in the Current Events section of the Forum, I am opening this story with this link to a mainstream news source, CBS News/Associated Press: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57474406/arpaio-obama-birth-record-definitely-forged/

    Now that this current event story finally has an unbiased, straight-forward opening post in an unbiased thread, fire away! Cheers!
     
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    I find the whole story very interesting.

    Basically Hawaii has been giving people citizenship illegally. The pieces are beginning to connect.

    Remember that pamphlet from a few months ago, that was dug up from the 90s that had Obama on it saying he was from Kenya. Now we learn that Hawaii grants citizenship status after a 1 year grace period of residency.

    It's getting interesting.
     
  3. GraspingforPeace

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    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/07/joe_arpaios_new_birther_eviden.php

    This was debunked months ago. He is just rehashing the same arguments over and over again. He is simply using this issue to get re-elected.
     
  4. The Mello Guy

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    lining their own pockets by pandering to the stupid and the gullible

     
  5. rahl

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    lol, birthers
     
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    LOL.. birthers. What a sad existence.
     
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    And in related news..Sheriff Voter Opinion finds Romney's avoidance of releasing his tax returns very suspicious.
     
  8. Day of the Candor

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    Must suck to be an Obamabot too. Your happy with a software cluster(*)(*)(*)(*) made up verson of Obama's BC, fine. I agree with the OP, they should have made a simple copy of the BC. Why didn't they do that? Hey, BTW, are you a Bainer? Is that as stupid as being a Birther? Get ready for a real truth, friend, your boy is going home to Chicago in January!
     
  9. SFJEFF

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    Why would we have to rely upon 'a software cluster'? Unlike any other President in history, the State of Hawaii has repeatedly, consistantly and publicly confirmed that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii as they do once again below:


    The State of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed the indisputable evidence of President Obama’s birth in Hawaii. An exhaustive accounting of this is provided on the State Department of Health (DOH) website (http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html). When this issue last arose in May, the Washington Post noted that “the Hawaii Department of Health has released both the short and long forms of the president’s birth certificate; and that all this information, along with clear-as-a-bell explanations, is available to the public online.” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...n/2012/05/21/gIQAV9tYgU_story.html?tid=pm_pop)

    President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.

    Regarding the latest allegations from a sheriff in Arizona, they are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law. The purpose of section 338-17.8, Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS), is to accommodate foreign-born individuals whose parents were residents of Hawaii but were temporarily outside of this state due to employment or military service. Similar to section 338-20.5, HRS, which provides for a certificate of foreign birth, anyone who receives a birth certificate under this section would have noted on their birth certificate the physical location of their actual birth. It does not confer citizenship, which is, of course, a power of the federal government.

    We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website.

    Vital records in Hawaii have some of the highest levels of privacy protection in the nation. Not only are Hawaii’s vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud.

    Joshua A. Wisch
    Special Assistant to the Attorney General
    State of Hawaii
    Dept. of the Attorney General
    425 Queen Street
    Honolulu, Hawaii 96813

    Birthers lol....
     
  10. WongKimArk

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    You want facts rather than opinions? Happy to oblige:

    http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/arpaio-2-in-2d-the-shock-of-zullo/

    SPECIAL REPORT

    Arpaio 2 in 2D: Shock of Zullo


    The July 17, 2012 press conference

    "Joe Arpaio Holds Press Conference to Let America Know He's Still a Wingnut" -- Gawker headline

    After the spectacular Cold Case Posse's March Madness Press Conference/Book Launch, the intrepid "investigators" took the Show That Never Ends on the road to the Aloha State. On July 17, Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Mike Zullo held a "breathtaking" press conference to reveal to the world what they found. As irony-challenged Zullo explained:

    "It's unbelievable how little information we were able to find."

    Once again, TheFogbow.com has examined the press releases, the claims, and the press conference and concludes that:

    - Leftover hash is once again recycled,
    - We know a heck of a lot more about statistics, coding, and research than the Cold Case Posse does,
    - Hawaii is NOT a hotbed of gaping loopholes for illegal immigrants to crawl through to citizenship,
    - No one in Hawaii wanted to play in the CCP sandbox, and
    - Mike Zullo needs a good tax attorney.
     
  11. SFJEFF

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    Why would we have to rely upon 'a software cluster'? Unlike any other President in history, the State of Hawaii has repeatedly, consistantly and publicly confirmed that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii as they do once again below:


    The State of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed the indisputable evidence of President Obama’s birth in Hawaii. An exhaustive accounting of this is provided on the State Department of Health (DOH) website (http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html). When this issue last arose in May, the Washington Post noted that “the Hawaii Department of Health has released both the short and long forms of the president’s birth certificate; and that all this information, along with clear-as-a-bell explanations, is available to the public online.” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...n/2012/05/21/gIQAV9tYgU_story.html?tid=pm_pop)

    President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.

    Regarding the latest allegations from a sheriff in Arizona, they are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law. The purpose of section 338-17.8, Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS), is to accommodate foreign-born individuals whose parents were residents of Hawaii but were temporarily outside of this state due to employment or military service. Similar to section 338-20.5, HRS, which provides for a certificate of foreign birth, anyone who receives a birth certificate under this section would have noted on their birth certificate the physical location of their actual birth. It does not confer citizenship, which is, of course, a power of the federal government.

    We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website.

    Vital records in Hawaii have some of the highest levels of privacy protection in the nation. Not only are Hawaii’s vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud.

    Joshua A. Wisch
    Special Assistant to the Attorney General
    State of Hawaii
    Dept. of the Attorney General
    425 Queen Street
    Honolulu, Hawaii 96813

    Birthers lol....
     
  12. Brewskier

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    Arpaio has said repeatedly that his goal is not to prove that Obama is foreign born. His job was to discover if the birth certificate posted from the White House is real or not. The Government submitting a ficticious document is not exactly legal.
     
  13. SFJEFF

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    Opinion- from the article you posted:
    it is possible, though certainly not proven, that President Obama, through the actions of others, may have benefited by the ease with which one can obtain a birth certificate proving U.S. citizenship," Zullo said,

    Also opinion:
    The Arizona Democratic Party says in a statement that Arpaio's investigation is intended to draw attention away from problems within his own agency, such as hundreds of sex-crimes cases that the sheriff's office failed to adequately investigate over a three-year period
     
  14. The Mello Guy

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    wouldnt you think this "investigation", if remotely competent, would have determined when the law they were quoting was passed??
     
  15. SFJEFF

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    Good thing no government has- since Hawaii has repeatedly said that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and that the birth certificate posted from the White House is real.
     
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    And yet, he has only ever claimed that the BC was "forged" despite the mountains of evidence that it was not. He has yet to provide any evidence at all to back up his forgery claims.



    If he really was just interested in the validity of the document, why isn't he investigating Mitt Romney's BC as well? (which has never been released BTW)
     
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    lol, they did make a simple copy of the bc. it was the long form that obama released after releasing the short form in 2008
     
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    Birthers are just jerking each other off at this point, really. No one is a party to their little delusion except them.
     
  19. SFJEFF

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    Actually Arpaio is fueling the Birther porn appetite. Someone is taking them seriously! Someone that the press will actually report! This is what all of the Birther kings and queens haven't been able to do.

    The fact that the Federal government is sueing Arpaio to stop his racist profiling just adds to his prestige in their eyes.
     
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    Sure, sure. And so is Obama's Soc. Security number from Connecticut? And his fraudulent Selective Service Registration? And his school records where he applied as a foreign student? Funny how there just keeps on being more and more of it, isn't it? But the BC should have been a simple copy I agree. Instead we get this big complicated multi-layer image. And nobody can tell anybody else why they did it this way. So if you have a brain bigger than a walnut, of course you suspect that somebody is pulling crap with the image. And when examiners say it is a made-up fraud and forgery, is it crazy to think that it might be? It is probably a lot more crazy to believe Obama's story, which has more holes than a Swiss cheese.
     
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    Ah the Birther laundry list!

    While birthers and Obama haters correlate strongly, it appears that birthers and conspiracy theorists do as well. I think it requires a predisposition to conspiracy-style thinking and a predisposition to disliking Obama to trigger a full-on birther response.

    Who to believe, who to believe...Sheriff Arpaio- who has a history of using his office to target political opponents, and his 'chief investigator' Zullo- who signed a book deal with a Birther prior to starting the investigation.....or the State of Hawaii?

    I will go with Hawaii. And so will anyone who is not a conspiracy nutjob.
     
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    Ah Sheriff Joe Arpaio "America's most corrupt sheriff" is showing how much of a wacko he really is. Perhaps its his age? Anyway, he won't be a sheriff any longer once he is found guilty of civil rights violations.
     
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    No. It's from the Social Security Administration in Baltimore. SSNs are checked by both the IRS and the SSA every year when income and payroll taxes are paid. Obama's SSN has been happily accepted as correctly his for more than 30 years.

    His Selective Service Registration is completely authentic and ordinary.

    There are no such records. That was an April Fools joke from three years ago.

    Not really. There is a cottage industry of right-wing Obama haters who actually sit around all day and make this (*)(*)(*)(*) up. The Daily Pen published their newest drug induced hallucination just last night. It's 3400 words long and completely sterile of any real evidence for its claims.

    The Obama PDF is a completely ordinary PDF of a perfectly ordinary scanned document. Your personal confusion over what ordinary computer files look like do not generate a constitutional crisis. Sorry, to burst your bubble... but you're just not that important.
     
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    Got a link corroborating any of these revelations? No. And you reject Sheriff Arpaio's research committee's findings. This is futile!

    Nobody is ever going to get anywhere this way, but rather than spew my own propaganda on anyone's deaf ears, tell me what you think when you enter this into Google search: "Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery". Just cut and paste it in, and hit "enter"....

    Do you even begin to understand how, true or not, somewhere between 22% - 27% of Americans do not believe the story that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America! You hyperlibs have convinced each other that Obama's story is absolutely true, and, you self-professed liberals amount to about 21% of American voters (fairly steady percentage since about 2006). So, roughly as many people disbelieve the Obama claim to being natural-born and those who accept it as truth. Consider that carefully if you think that all "birthers" are "insane", "idiots", "morons", etc., etc., etc.
     
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    What revelations? I was just pointing out the obvious.

    And I reject Sheriff Arpaio's kangaroo posse's collection of Birther mantra's, and believe that the State of Hawaii is more credible, since they have no pre-conceived bias's or financial motivations.
     

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