Should businesses be allowed to deny fat/ugly people?

I don't think that "gave them over to a depraved mind" fits the qualification of "let them alone". By doing so, the Bible is describing God as deciding to withdraw association with them.

That fits nicely with the premise of this thread. Anyone should be allowed to disassociate with anyone they wish.

 

Nightclubs regularly turn away customers, due to their dress; their reputation, etc. Malls regularly remove gangs of kids from malls.

Both are examples which answer the question you ask.

Regardless: would it shock you to discover that 'financial gain' is not the only goal of every business owner? Happiness and fulfillment are goals as well, right?

 

If they want to, I don't understand why they would.

 

Therein lies the problem....
Your hate is focused on a group that often puts standards before money.
... as Jesus taught them.

As for "discriminating against people", that's just lefty lies about the law, and about Christians.

As for financial gain, most people don't bend over for the dollar as fast as A&E did when they (vocally) "suspended" Phil Robertson, while at the same time drafting up a new contract.

Like FireBreather said.... not everyone puts financial gain above their own belief system.

Nor does a 5% (tops) loss in profit tend to hurt a business.

 

If customers are dressed poorly, then people of higher/more pretentious social class will not use their service. Therefore, loose money.
If there are gang bangers walking around, then people will feel unsafe, and people will not use their service. Therefore, loose money.

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Hypothetically possible, but how possible? Most people are not racist, and denying people based on skin color is unpopular.

 

It seems like you're contradicting yourself. Before, you said you couldn't imagine a situation where a business could refuse certain clientele and not lose money. Now, you're agreeing - and reiterating examples of cases where a business refuses clients in order to keep the remainder of their customer base. I'm confused.

Wouldn't you want a business which does not operate by the same moral code as you to go under? Personally, I find that progressive.

 

Well, I suppose you are right. Discrimination against certain people would boost business.

 

In other words you are spineless; instead of confronting your fellow bigoted Christians to do the right thing by not using "faith" to justify xenophobia, you simply follow the mob to avoid a financial impact. How brave you are.

 

You are wrong again..........why must you be so nasty in our discussion? Have I been nasty to you?

Romans 1:26-28 - 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

They are not bigoted and neither am I. We have a gay couple that attends our Church. Why are they accepted? 1) Because they don't wear their lifestyle on their sleeves. 2) They don't make sport out of forcing Christians to violate their beliefs by making them make a gay wedding cake. True Christians don't judge others that's God's job. But, for some perverse reason gays seem to take delight in being intolerant of Christian beliefs and publicly forcing them to violate those beliefs. For every "Christian" owned bakery there must be a dozen secular owned ones, why not just go there in the first place. NOPE! They are going to attempt to legitimize their lifestyle by "forcing" others to agree with them. Christians I know don't actively pursue gays trying to convert them or convince them their lifestyle is wrong, yet gays actively attempt do the opposite, so who are the intolerant bigots? I don't care what you do in your bedroom and with whom, I really don't it, doesn't affect me. As long as you don't attempt to make it part of my life. Gays are out there poking other people in the chest with their finger demanding we accept your lifestyle, do that and you'll likely get some push back.

I am not an evangelical by any stretch of the imagination, anyone on the forum as long as I have been knows I don't preach. I feel no need to "save" anyone who doesn't want it in the first place. I DON'T CARE! Remember this......if you are right and there is no God, both you and I end up in the same place, that's a fact. If I'm right......well you'll know it and we will end up in vastly different places. Good luck!

 

Why hasn't anyone attacked Hooters for not letting obese women become servers?

 

I'd say childishly calling people names, while claiming they are the bigots, is probably not the smartest way to attempt to make a point.

 

If the U.S. was a theocracy and not a democratic Republic, you'd have a point (if a twisted one). But it is not, and you don't. What you are telling me is that your denomination is okay with gays in their midst as long as they don't "look" gay. So tell me, bubba, what does a gay person look like? And what of those who "look" gay but are not? Are you doing to deny them? True Christians don't judge others? What utter hogwash. You Christians are the most judgmental people I know. If you didn't judge people, you'd have no issue baking their friggin gay cake. Don't be a hypocrite.

 

LOL

Wish someone "happy holidays" and your waging a war on Christmas.

But two people wanting to buy a cake for their wedding are forcing their lifestyle on others.

 

Wrong AGAIN...........

What does a gay look like, can you tell me that? How am I supposed to judge anyone if I don't know what they (gay) look like?

"If you didn't judge people, you'd have no issue baking their friggin gay cake."

Of course I do have an issue with that. Do you know the difference between passive and active?

Passive: I sell a dozen cupcakes to a gay couple who are having a party. I have no problem with that.

Active: A gay couple wants me to decorate a wedding cake for a gay wedding. I violates my Religion to do that, and I won't.

The United States is a Democratic Republic with a Constitution.

My judgement is reasonable and your's is unreasonable according to the Constitution.

 

Still waiting for the part that tells you Christians, that if you bake a cake for a soon to be married couple commerce, it better not be with people who you think likely to 'commit indecent acts', because that is the language, in my view that proscribes specific conduct as incompatible with your faith and thus flags the exercise clause of the first amendment. All you have is some condemnation of the sex or the lust. You are not being asked to have sex or to lust unnaturally so you have insufficient evidence it violates your faith. Considering you may be looking for a pass on bone fide statutory law, I thinkyou are obliged to meet a burden beyond, "it makes sense to me and it offends my pastor or Rabbi.

 

Well until it gets out of the business, it cannot breach the 14th due process clause without a compelling state interest and if it must treat classes differently, it must tailor its reach as narrowly as possible.

 

"What consenting adults do is their business and no one else's." UNTIL they decide to force me to go against my faith in doing so. If gays come into my bakery and want to buy a dozen cup cakes, I will gladly sell it to them. If they ask for a blank wedding cake, I will gladly sell them one. If they ask me to decorate a a gay wedding cake that reflects that, I will gladly tell them to go elsewhere to get that done. It's my business and no one has to shop there. With that in mind, if I made a gay wedding cake, I would likely lose much more business with my Christian customers for supporting a specific sin in the Bible. No one has the right to force that on myself or my business. You don't seem to understand it's a matter of extension. If I sold cell phones, it simply wouldn't matter who they were sold to, you got the money.....you got the phone. The customer being gay extends nothing onto me, a baker being forced to decorate a gay wedding cake does.

 

Your problem is that you don't understand that we learned that the same pressures you face by other Christians, is the same pressures faced by all the other bakers in your area not to serve that gay couple. We learned in the past that entire regions ,state after state after state of real estate, may be full of entrepreneurs, who may face those pressures not to allow for example, blacks to sit at a lunch counter. That is how corrosive bigotry can get, in the commerce of a town, a county or a state. That gay couple in Mississippi, just won't be able to get their wedding cake professionally decorated without traveling a lot of miles. I am sorry if it offends you, but you chose to put out your shingle, and that means obeying the civil rights laws. you can for example, decide that you will only write certain non descript phrases listed on a board posted that do not distinguish gender and make it a policy not to write names, as long as you enforce it equally. There are ways to do this using advertised policies. Or you can feel free to close up and bake your cakes for free, beyond the need of a business license, if you can't handle the responsibility of not discriminating against gays.

 

You are probably engaging in wishful thinking.

 

As long as the entity doing the disassociating is mythological it will work just lovely for a functional society.

 

I want to live in your world. seems much more humanitarian than this one.

 

Why do you say that?

 

Again you are attempting to blend two things that don't blend.

There is nothing in the Bible about ANY race or gender being wrong or a sin.

Romans 1:26-28 - 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

However, it does specifically mention homosexuality. You are trying to make it a blanket issue when it's NOT. Being Black, Asian or any other race isn't wrong according to the Bible. Being homosexual is specifically wrong according to the Bible. I just don't know what part of that is so hard for you to understand, unless you're looking for for the acceptance you will never get from your family. You won't get it from me either. While I accept your lifestyle as a bad choice and a sin that will earn you a place in Hades forever, that's your choice to make not mine. You can attempt to make it a blanket situation, but no one will believe you.

The folks in my Church are not bigoted and neither am I. We have a gay couple that attends our Church. Why are they accepted? 1) Because they don't wear their lifestyle on their sleeves. 2) They don't make sport out of forcing Christians to violate their beliefs by making them make a gay wedding cake. True Christians don't judge others that's God's job. But, for some perverse reason gays seem to take delight in being intolerant of Christian beliefs and publicly forcing them to violate those beliefs. For every "Christian" owned bakery there must be a dozen secular owned ones, why not just go there in the first place. NOPE! They are going to attempt to legitimize their lifestyle by "forcing" others to agree with them. Christians I know don't actively pursue gays trying to convert them or convince them their lifestyle is wrong, yet gays actively attempt do the opposite, so who are the intolerant bigots? I don't care what you do in your bedroom and with whom, I really don't it, doesn't affect me. As long as you don't attempt to make it part of my life. Gays are out there poking other people in the chest with their finger demanding we accept your lifestyle, do that and you'll likely get some push back.

I am not an evangelical by any stretch of the imagination, anyone on the forum as long as I have been knows I don't preach. I feel no need to "save" anyone who doesn't want it in the first place. I DON'T CARE! Remember this......if you are right and there is no God, both you and I end up in the same place, that's a fact. If I'm right......well you'll know it and we will end up in vastly different places. Good luck!

 

Because as clearly demonstrated in the past the Church has no desire to leave what they consider sinners alone. The Church works very hard to promote legislation to make life hard for what it considers sinners. Note stands on birth control, abortion, drugs, homosexuality, etc.

 

Normal dollars? Your bigotry is showing.