Should government shut down on Christmas?

Since there is a separation of church and state, should those in Washington get a Christmas break?

 

The point of closing for Christmas is because the vast majority Christian and otherwise, celebrate this holiday and it makes sense to have the day off or people will take it. For Christians they would want the day off for the celebration and the government can't deny them access to their faith so...............

 

the federal holiday is secular, though many also celebrate Jesus birth on that day too

fact is, almost everyone in America celebrates Christmas, no mater what beliefs they may or may not have... and why not, America re-invented it

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Should people flit off to a new topic leaving their outlandish falsehoods from a previous thread unaddressed?

 

Wrong. What are the celebrating, Santa?

If they do declare it as a secular holiday, they must conceded that the roots of the holiday are religious. As such there is a violation of church and state. Without the religious holiday the state would never have declared it a holiday.

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The Catholic church does not have a say in their health care when it comes to contraception. Why then should they have a say in anything? As religious folk, they must adhere to the secular mandate, whatever it may be. To do otherwise would be to give special rights to the religious. Don't tell me you want to give special rights to those who are religious.

 

Folks, we have a new Santa in town.



Christmas is just an opiate for the masses. Why do we need it?

 

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/1999/12/07/loc_judge_invokes_santa.html

Christmas has become so secular that the government does not violate the Constitution by declaring it a federal legal holiday, a federal judge ruled Monday.

"no reasonable person would see the federal holiday as an endorsement of Christianity"

Christmas has roots in many religions if you follow it back far enough.... but today it is what it is, a secular federal holiday that many believers and non-believers alike celebrate

it used to be a day Christians got drunk, now it's a family holiday for everyone to enjoy, even the children... though do stay away from the drunk Santa's


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What are you referring to?

 

Christmas is a holiday in Hong Kong.

Who the hell cares where it came from?

It doesnt mean what some "Christians" choose to think it means.

Anymore that the term "gung ho" means in China what it means in America.

(Hint: HK is not a Christian community nor is the govt a theology)

 

A federal judge made a ruling? So what? A federal judge also declared the ACA Unconstitutional. Who then cares what federal judges say?

This needs to go all the way to SCOTUS if you ask me, where judges have the true wisdom to discern such matters. It is only there that truth can be obtained.

 

So you dont even bother to look what you get notifications of a response, dont go back to what you've said? You really do just flit off not a backwards look let alone take responsibility for what falsehoods you spoken! How do you feel about that?

 

It's like displaying the Ten Commandments in a court of law. Sure, they don't adhere to the Ten Commandments, but just its presents implicates the state as if its judges were nothing but Jewish priests in a synagogue giving praise to their God.

Christmas is no different. Just the use of the word "Christ" should be force the state to completely strip the holiday from state language.

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I'll ask again, what thread are you talking about?

 

You didnt pay any attention to what I said about HK, just repeat your same claim.

Christmas in HK is nothing like displaying the commandments in an american court room.
If you dont like people doing what they like with a traditional mid winter festival (to which some latter day xtians attached a name, trying to appropriate it) that doesnt mean scotus will agree with you.


Asking again=confirming that you neither check for responses in a thread nor look at notifications?

My thread about whether Fundamentalist and Christian are the same thing is the one I am referring to.

You made up some rather insulting and ridiculous things about me. You going to take some "Christian"
responsibility for your "sins" in this regard, or not?

 

Would you be more specific please ?

 

the more you read about pagan roots of Christianity, the more you start to see the truth of how it all fits together, trying to lay claim to dec 25th was only a small part of it

http://answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/cross_pagan_origins.htm

"The Vatican was constructed upon the site of an ancient Pagan sanctuary because the new is always built upon the old. In the same way Christianity itself has as its foundations the Pagan spirituality that preceded it."

even the cross was Pagan before it was claimed to be christian

"The cross is a pagan symbol that was adored in Egypt thousands of years before Jesus was born. The Roman Catholic Church adopted the cross symbol at least 600 years after Jesus was supposedly crucified. Even the early Christians of North Africa rejected the wooden cross after Tertullian condemned it.

Tertullian confessed that pagans worshiped crucified saviors hanging on a cross. "

 

Because the vast majority of employees would not be working.

 

Say, doesnt that imply that they have 365 days of holiday per year in DC?

 

So without an argument you bring up a straw man.......

 

Like you just did.

 

Christmas is a secular holiday with religious roots. 93% of people in the US celebrate it, but only 80% identify as Christian. Furthermore, the only explicitly Christian part of the holiday is the nativity and angels. Lights, trees, wreathes, presents, Santa, poinsettias, elves, sleighs, reindeer, candy... are all from religious practices that predate Christianity or they're secular constructions. No, there is no first amendment conflict in recognizing Christmas as a secular holiday.

 

how please explain

 

Simple you complained about him creating a strawman without an argument (a deflection from the topic) then you create another strawman (deflection from the topic) in order to point out his deflection... Just as I am now creating a strawman by doing the same thing you accused him of doing and the same thing you did.

 

you seem to neither understand what a straw man nor deflection is......
I pity you

 

No-one is seeking your emotional states. Were you on topic with your comments regarding your claim of the other poster creating a straw man? No? Are you declaring yourself to be an authority on the subject of logical fallacies?

 

SCOTUS can do as they please. Once they make a ruling even God must abide by it.

As for insulting you, I don't remember insulting you. However, using the term "Xtian" is pretty insulting in itself, so maybe we are even.