Should Judge Merchan jail Trump on the 11th violation?

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Should Judge Merchan jail Trump on the 11th violation?

  1. Yes, trial integrity demands it.

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  2. No, bad for the country/political consequences, etc.

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  1. Eddie Haskell Jr

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    The comment was directed at the jury which the judge clearly stated he can't do. As the judge said, it impacts the integrity and legitimacy of the court as well as the safety of the jurors. He can simply stay quiet or let his lawyers speak. Trying to convince his supporters that disrespecting our judicial system is ok is not ok.
     
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  2. Darthcervantes

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    Option 3 - YES, get those lawfare votes!
    I wanna see him giving his campaign speeches from Prison while playing cards with Bubba and the boys! Should be good stuff. BRING IT!!!
     
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    Okay elucidate the difference. Why is a picture of someone standing behind a person with a baseball bat acceptable but someone holding a fake head covered in fake blood not acceptable
     
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    There will be the Secret Service in there with him... 24/7.
     
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    The legal standard is securing a fair, impartial trial. The judge's primary job is to allow a fair, impartial trial. You do not have a fair, impartial trial if jurors think coming up with the "wrong" decision puts them in peril. Again, anonymity is the best shield against this, but Trump suggesting they're out to get him rather than do their due diligence as jurors puts them in more danger and risks intimidating them, preventing a fair trial.
     
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    You wish is the Judges command. Only…. No photos allowed in prison, nor will have have a go,d toilet and worst! No personal valet to change his diaper for him!
     
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    But he won’t have his phone lols! I await the screams when THAT is explained to him. I am betting I will be able to hear them from here lols!
     
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    Merchan is completely corrupt.

    'The gag order is ostensibly in place to prevent Trump from threatening witnesses. That is a pretext: Trump hasn’t threatened any witnesses; he has opined that they are terrible people (including, in Michael Cohen’s case, that he is a convicted perjurer, which is true).'

    'Merchan is a partisan Democrat. The main purpose of the gag order is to stifle Trump’s attempts to point out that Merchan’s daughter is a progressive political operative who works for Democrats who define themselves by their loathing of and opposition to Trump — including President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and Representative Adam Schiff. In pointing out how rigged is this ridiculous prosecution, Trump wants to highlight Loren Merchan’s lucrative political work to add context to the facts that (a) Merchan made 2020 political contributions to Biden and Democrats (small-dollar amounts that are obviously made to show that the donor is on the team rather than to have any measurable effect on the outcome), (b) Merchan has straight down the line endorsed Bragg’s every loopy legal theory and denial of Trump’s due-process rights, and (c) Merchan is orchestrating Trump’s conviction.'

    'Naturally, witnesses for the elected progressive Democratic prosecutor Alvin Bragg have not been gagged, so Cohen and porn star Stormy Daniels are free to keep talking about Trump. The judge could easily lean on prosecutors to encourage the witnesses to zip it, but he hasn’t, on the risible rationalization that Trump is the only one on trial. Obviously, if Merchan’s real concerns were safeguarding the process and shielding the jury from media coverage of extrajudicial statements about the case, it wouldn’t matter which participants in the trial were stoking publicity. But Merchan targets only one participant, Trump, leaving prosecution witnesses — to say nothing of Trump’s political adversaries — free to speak publicly about the case to their heart’s content, no matter how much the ensuing publicity may undermine the fairness of the trial.'

    'In imposing today’s fine, Merchan again admonished Trump that if he continues ignoring the gag order “this court will have to consider a jail sanction.” The judge mewled that he was just trying to do his job, part of which is “to protect the dignity of the justice system.” Of course, if that were a priority for him, he might have forced the DA to tell Trump what the crime is — a rudimentary ingredient of the dignity of the justice system that Bragg has been permitted to omit.'

    https://archive.ph/68H05#selection-827.161-937.365
     
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    even the judges threat was enough to jack up the #s...."cha-ching"!!
     
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    'Because the prosecution is so unabashedly political, I believe the chances that Merchan will actually jail Trump — despite the line in the sand the judge foolishly drew this morning — are slim. Putting Trump behind bars, even for a day or two, would be politically disastrous for Democrats. Even voters who dislike Trump would more closely scrutinize the case brought by Bragg — the progressive prosecutor whose default position is to ignore or minimize serious crime — and be outraged by it. It would become more notorious and undeniable that an elected Democrat is exploiting law-enforcement power punitively against the Democrats’ arch political nemesis — and on the election-denial theory that Trump stole the presidency from Hillary Clinton.'

    So Trump may just 'give Merchan a check for $5K or $10K every Monday to cover the upcoming week’s anticipated contempts.'

    'Nothing Trump has said is more prejudicial than the “statement of facts” Bragg issued when the grand jury’s indictment was unsealed.'

    'Ordinarily, prosecutors draft the factual recitation on which the charges are based in the indictment. That recitation thus becomes part of the charges as articulated on the public record. That is why prosecutors, who are obliged when speaking publicly to stick to the formal allegations in the public record, are permitted to comment on them.
    In this case, to the contrary, the grand jury issued an indictment that accused Trump of fraudulently falsifying his business records from February through December 2017. In conjunction with the indictment’s unsealing, Bragg put on an out-of-court narrative — his own, not the grand jury’s — that accused Trump of conspiring to steal the 2016 election by suppressing politically damaging information in violation of federal campaign law. To support that non-indictment narrative, the DA asserted that Cohen had pled guilty to campaign-finance violations and gone to jail over them. That is, even though the Constitution requires a felony charge to be stated in the indictment, Bragg put out his own statement about a conspiracy offense not charge in the indictment based on federal law he has no authority to enforce, and supported it by evidence that (as even Merchan has conceded) is not admissible against Trump — viz., Cohen’s guilty plea.'

    'If Merchan is truly worried about out-of-court statements that imperil the dignity of the judicial process, what about Bragg’s gratuitous (and deceptively titled) “statement of facts” that so distorted the indictment the grand jury actually returned? That has had much more prejudicial effect on the proceedings than anything Trump has ranted about on Truth Social.'

    Merchan's not worried about it because the Judge is in on the fix.

    https://archive.ph/68H05#selection-827.161-937.365
     
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    Nonsense? How so?

    Are you trying to claim that they would resurrect long since beyond any statute of limitations misdemeanor charges by using convoluted untested legal reasoning in order to bring those charges back to life and simultaneously make it a felony if it were Joe Six Pack?

    Cmon. There is no way you believe that.
     
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    Not only that he may be, albeit subconsciously, attempting to inject “self fulfilling prophecy” imperatives in both the jury and his followers. Let’s say you are a juror and have become aware that the accused has accused you of being biased - you may decide to be more lenient simply to prove him wrong. Meanwhile his supporters are already seeing bias where none exists ergo setting up outrage that may result in another riot/uprising. Certainly we have seen the judge go very softly on him because let’s face it- if he were Al Capone he would already have been jailed for contempt
     
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    Nice try, but that isn't how it works.
     
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    Well, hasn’t really so far. All the reports say his campaign is running out of money to the point he is berating big dollar donors

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/01/trump-republican-small-donations-problems/

    But feel free to send any spare cash you have
     
  15. Patricio Da Silva

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    After 10 times, that kid would definitely be sent to detention, somewhere.
     
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    republican would not care
     
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    See #35 and....

    I don't recall Biden supporters, Clinton supporters, do this:

     
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    They aren't fooling the American People. Check out this recent polling:

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    If this corrupt Judge is stupid enough to jail Trump, these numbers will explode as folks not watching the trial closely, dig in a look at just how ridiculous this case is, and it's clear political misuse of authority.

    And as Trump pointed out today, if his going jail is what is necessary to protect the Constitution, then he's willing to take the hit for the American People.

    Trump publicly stated today in thundering terms 'that he’d be content to go to jail if it were necessary to illustrate the travesty that is unfolding. Trump: “Frankly, you know what, our Constitution is much more important than jail. It’s not even close. I’ll do that sacrifice any day.”

    It's a sacrifice that anyone who loves America and Americans would be willing to make.

    Now the interesting thing here is that while jailing Trump would destroy Biden's campaign, which FJB deserves as he is orchestrating this case, it would likely boost Bragg's goal of rising to the governorship. He'd view jailing Trump as a trophy kill mounted on the wall.

    Crooked Judge Merchan might try to pull the sting by sentencing him to home confinement, but that would make it even more painfully obvious to the nation that the point of this trial is to keep Trump off the campaign trail.

    https://archive.ph/LfA5H#selection-903.273-907.131

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    Willing to go to jail to protect the Constitution from these Corrupt Democrat Proceedings.
     

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    Personally, I'd love it.

    Just demonstrates how stupid the left is.
     
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    No, in prison his speech will be restricted
     
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    not as a sitting president... which he can be from a jail cell...
     
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    Is this true? I haven't been following this circus very closely.

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