Should private labor unions be outlawed?

I am a capitalism supporter, but I'm 100% sure that basically any person who doesn't support the free market, is in support of private labor unions and some, even public labor unions, so I'm not including them in the poll. I'd say that public unions should be outlawed, but many capitalism supporters seem to hate even private unions, though I'm not sure if they simply hate them, or if they want to outlaw them. So, my question is:

Capitalists, do you think private labor unions should be outlawed?

 

So you want to ban collective bargaining? Or the right to assemble?

I don't see how anyone could support this.

 

Public labor unions should be outlawed actually, but I don't think private labor unions should.

 

How are you going to "outlaw" any type of union without simultaneously infringing on our right to congregate?

The answers easy, you can't. That's why this is a bad idea.

 

No Private Sector Unions should not be outlawed......

......as long as employers have the same right to organize......
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If you make your income via having someone use force to tax someone else and give money to you, then you shouldn't be allowed to collectively bargain to have more taken away. But if you make your income via agreed arrangements, there is no infringement on anyone's rights for you to collectively bargain, as long as you don't use force.

 

Employers doing collective bargaining wouldn't be the same thing as employees doing so, but I'd say employee collective bargaining would be more powerful as long as they all worked together to collectively bargain. Simply due to strength in numbers

 

I don't really know what you're on about. Employees, regardless of whether their union members enter into employment contracts.

Moreover you haven't said how your going to disambiguate restricting the right to assembly from outlawing union membership. I don't like unions, I think they're bad for labor in general, but there's no good way to abolish them.

 

People have the right to assemble, but there should be no government backing of Unions. Employers should be under no obligation to work with a union under any circumstances. Employers should have freedom of association in the same way that employees do.

 

It's a simple concept: public vs. private labor unions. I don't think public ones should be allowed, but private ones should.

 

I'd say collective bargaining would be not only the most natural, but perhaps the most effective, way for any group within an economy to improve it's position, especially in a free market economy where government would barely exist, if at all. It doesn't just apply to employees vs. employers, but businesses vs. customers (boycotting etc.). Customers would probably have greater potential for power in that regard as well, assuming one big important thing.

 

Wow.... no **** sherlock.

You've still failed to address the central problem with your "idea", that was in the first reply. It directly infringes on the right to assembly.

My goal was to show you why this is a nonstarter... but, like they say; you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

 

You can attempt to collectively bargain all day long, but an employer should be under no obligation to even consider your proposal. They should be able to tell the collective group to pound sand and hire an entirely new workforce without any sort of penalty if they see fit.

 

Yea, but if you've ever owned a business you know that's not a trivial matter. There are a lot of sunk costs in current employees and employers would prefer not to lose them.

 

True, but that is still a choice that an employer should be able to freely make. If it does not make business sense so be it, but there should be no government standing there forcing a business to work with a Union at gunpoint.

 

Because it's questionable as to whether people even have the right to make a living off of the tax dollars of others, according to capitalism.

 

Agreed. I live in right to work state, so an employer can fire you for any reason at all.

 

That would be a private non-forceful labor union, yes. But if the entirely new workforce wants to collectively bargain, or for that matter, hypothetically, if all employees on Earth were to collectively bargain, that would probably have more power than all employers collectively bargaining, because a lot of people who were once employees could become business managers. Of course, all the business managers could become laborers, but in this hypothetical collective bargaining battle between employees and employers of Earth, employees would have too great of numbers than to lose. Plus they'd be (on average) younger

 

Now you're just being completely ridiculous. If that were the case government couldn't exist at all, and public goods could never be provided.

You've failed to address my challenge and the longer this conversation goes on, the more I'm wondering if you thought this through at all.

Also let's drop this "according to capitalism" thing, you don't speak on it's behalf and based on your statements it's clear you only have a very rough understanding of what it is.

 

Good luck with that, eh? Are you going to be the one to break the news to the cops and firefighters?

 

Capitalism is where property is never public; actually, that is communism. Police are quite simply funded by communism if they're publicly funded. Same with schools, the military, anything. It's a basic concept

Capitalism is simply where (*)(*)(*)(*) is private, not public. It's a simple concept

 

That'd help the economy greatly to reduce their pay significantly, and also, make them focus on actual problems. VERY MUCH THE SAME can be said of teachers and soldiers etc.

 

Well to organize the majority of Employers is also strength in numbers.

If Employees have the right to collectively bargain.......then Employers should have the same right as well....

 

I am not a big fan of Public unions. As for private unions, no, they should not be outlawed.

If anything, outlaw the NLRB and political cronyism (lol). Allow companies such as Boeing to locate their manufacturing/assembly operations to Right To Work states, if they chose.

 

Okay. But employer collective bargaining usually isn't discussed as much as employee collective bargaining which is why this thread is focused on laborers collectively bargaining.