Should private labor unions be outlawed?

do all unions hurt business , I know some do but all?

 

Then you should have phrased it that way. Your rephrasing has a total different meaning than your actual phrasing.

Also, your rephrasing basically makes it similar to the second choice.

 

All, never applies.

And the answer to your question would depend on what you meant. If a business makes a smaller profit, but retains more employees and they're happier/more productive, is that a positive or negative?

 

agreed

that could depend on your position or point of view!

 

Precisely!

This is why a lot of people like worker co-ops, it aligns the goals of management with those of labor, no longer are they're goals misaligned.

 

The second choice was meant to emphasize the negative effects of unions (in accordance with the viewpoint of the second option), although, I should have probably added more options which were more precise

 

excellent!!!

 

If there are enough jobs in an economy, the goals of management and labor will "naturally" align because unions wouldn't even be necessary; the fact that you can opt out of a low-paying job and get another, at any time you want, is all that's needed to increase your pay when there are enough jobs for that to happen.

 

Did you even read why I wrote that??

Management wants a higher profit margin, labor wants better compensation. Those goals are misaligned. In a worker co-op, labor == ownership, and thus their goals are aligned.

There is no perfect flexibility in the labor market and there are transition costs in moving between jobs (so no matter how perfect employment may be moving between jobs is not free), especially if you were trained (and then the employer doesn't want you to leave either b/c of sunk costs). Work isn't neutral and to suggest it is, is extremely naive.

 

Everyone competes against each other in an economy with limited material resources.

 

Wrong. Gardeners aren't competing with software architects. Shoe companies aren't competing with telescope manufacturers.

Just a hint, using everyone or all pretty much ensures you can't be correct.

Just another post fill with nonsense...

 

Your post is completely void of any economic content. It is not the fault of business that wages are so high. It is most of the time cost prohibitive if not against the law to replace a Union workforce with new workers. Unions use this fact to their advantage and jack up wages.

The economic argument if you have the knowledge to respond to it is solid and your answer of "Its the fault of business" is not sufficient. Please respond in economic terms if you are able.

What law?

There should not be a law forcing one group to deal with another...that is the point.

Define a "public good" and why only a public entity can provide said good.

The old "if you don't like it leave" argument. I am not sure that I need to explain to you why that is an absurd argument.

 

But when those two people go to the grocery store, or if they, in general, both want the same product, they have to compete for it; the highest bidder will get to buy it. Even if someone is highly skilled at doing something that's needed by others, that skilled person competes with said others when it comes to pricing; they both want different prices to be paid for said service, but choose on the same price after negotiating. It's competition

 

Econ 101. Public goods are goods that are non-rival and non-excludable, and I'm not saying they can't be provided by private entities, but it's simply done more efficiently through taxation and through public entities. Decreasing the burden on all of us.

Private production of public goods creates a number of negative externalities, the biggest I've already mentioned: Free rider issues. The best example of a public good is the military, you understand why we don't want a private military, right?

It's not absurd at all, harsh, but valid.

Here's an analogy. Kid is born into his parents home, enjoys the things that have been provided by the parents. At 18 they want him to start paying rent to 1) repay some of the things consumed between 0-18 and 2) to contribute to future household needs. If the kid doesn't like the arrangement he's free to leave and not reap the benefits of the communal contributions to the house. In this case the house is our country and your 18 now, do you want to contribute or do you want to leave?

 

Really? When was the last grocery store auction you went to?

Oh that's right, you never have, and never will. More ridiculousness.

Yea, folks in similar markets, but that's not even close to what you said.

 

The higher the prices that people other than yourself are willing to pay, the higher the price you'll have to pay to get the product. You have to compete with other people who want the same thing as you

Actually the computer I'm using now could have gone to someone in Taiwan for all I know, but instead I bought it and not them. This is actually a global market, now

 

Nonsense. I'd gladly pay and extra dollar for my lunch but the price as gone up as a result nor have I or anyone else auctioned off their McDonald's burger.

You're confusing prices being driven by demand with competitive forces. Or, since we were originally discussing labor and wages, you're basically comparing a human being to a box of crackers. Sad really.

 

Competitive forces drive prices.

 

Private Unions...no. i don't think so. And as far as public unions go. They can all exist but No laws requiring people to join. That means every state is a right to work state and no state collecting of dues. NOgovernment involvement. NO government employees can form or belong to a union. No union lobbyists of anykind.

 

What makes you feel that they are provided more efficiently via public means?

I understand why you are opposed to a private military, but that does not mean it wouldn't work.

Public production of public goods also creates negative externalities. Externalities are the biggest economic cop-out. Everything creates an externality they are this thing that cannot really be defined or ever accounted for. Public goods are a myth in my mind, there is no good reason other than a normalcy bias on your part that everything could not be privatized.

It is absurd.

Civil rights movement. If blacks did not like the conditions in the south they could just leave. Go back to Africa so to speak.

This argument will fail every time, it is an authoritarian argument that has no place in a free society.

 

IMO collective bargaining is part of the capitalism "game" we're all forced to play. To [artificially] remove it would not only take away the "free" in free trade, but make the game less fair.

 

Hey, if the employees want to take a chance of losing their jobs cause their Unions pushed the company to bankruptcy, that is their choice. And just so you union supporters know, they tax you no matter if they get you fired or not.

 

I think you mean employees and not employers?

 

Nope. Follow the link plz.