Should prostitution be legal?

Yes, socialism includes capitalism and government. Our Social Contract shows that quiet clearly in Article 1, Section 8. Why do you believe Government is not a form of Socialism?

 

i never said it was my business, you did. i find it laughable that the folks that say they want people to be free are the most oppressive. it's ok for poor Jed down in the trailer park's daughter to be the village bicycle, but not their little princess.

 

Wrong on both actually. Socialism can include capitalism and goverment, but you seem to imply that it must, which is false.

 

It must under our Social Contract, but not any form of Capital Contract. It is clearly enumerated in our social contract and expressed in our republican form of Government.

 

Government is the agency of law enforcement. Are you suggesting that socialism in principle is the creation and enforcement of laws? A republican form of government limited to protecting rights (outlawing initiations of force) is a government proper to a free nation. Socialism means government ownership and/or control of all property which goes way beyond merely enforcing laws to protect your rights.

 

I don't care about your social contract, we were talking about socialism. You were wrong.

Now let's keep it to prostitution instead.

 

Nope; it holds true for us via our social contract that enables our form of socialism to habitually bail out our form of capitalism.

 

We've always had premeditated murder, too. Should we legalize it because we can't get rid of it? Should we regulate and tax premeditated murder? I don't disagree with you over the petty stuff (like most drug use), but I don't see prostitution as a victimless crime like a lot of people do, even tho most prostitutes were victimized long before they started getting paid for it.

 

I would still rather blame the right for insisting on an Iron Age moral regarding a work ethic, instead of a more evolved moral of bearing true witness to our own laws regarding employment at will, which could ameliorate this human condition on Earth.

 

To bad that's not what you said though. You said that "socialism is capitalism plus government". I don't care what 'your form of socialism' is, and I don't care about your social contract because you weren't speaking of those but of socialism, and you were wrong. End of story. Now let's discuss prostitution.

What's the argument I'm making? That we should strive for what's best for everyone. Now ask yourself, would legalising murder lead to more or less murders? Is more murders better for everyone? Now you see why your example wasn't very good.

There are problems associated with prostitution no doubt, like sexual slavery and other involuntary tings. However, there are already laws that cover those things and keeping prostitution illegal does in fact not help with enforcing those laws. Having it illegal only means that we cannot regulate and monitor what's going on, which means that we cannot as effectively stop slavery and try to keep the industry as clean as possible.

 

It could very well be that legalizing murder would lead to fewer murders, I dunno. And that would be better for everyone EXCEPT the one person who was murdered. Can't always be looking out for the welfare of EVERYONE. The individual needs to be protected, too.

 

That is your subjective moral view. It is not "true" except to you and those who choose to believe it.

 

Were it the case that legalising murder would lead to fewer ones commited, who would be dumb enough not to legalise it?

I am making the case that the prostitutes would fare better too if it was legalised. You're not assuming all girls would flock to the brothels once is was legalised are you? Or that prostitution will go away just because it's illegal?

Of course, as with everything. My end appeals to most though, and makes more sense than wanting say freedom just for the sake of it.

 

Did you miss the Part about the social-ism of Government habitually bailing out that which is a capital component of that political-economy?

 

I reckon I realised that it was irrelevant, and that you were still wrong on your claim that socialism is government plus capitalism. Seriously let's get back to prostitution, or start a thread about this.

 

don't know if it's been mentioned but this week Canada's Supreme Court struck down all Canada's anti prostitution laws as unconstitutional...the laws were deemed a danger to the health and safety of the women involved in the sex trade, the laws remain in place for one year as they are at allow government to adjust to the new reality...

I doubt any new laws will come back to replace the old laws as they'll be challenged as well in the Supreme court, my guess is prostitution will be controlled by municipal business zoning bylaws...

 

Ok; since you are still asking, here is the relevance in the US; socialism merely requires sufficient social morals for free to bear true witness to our own laws regarding the concept of employment at will; capitalism can never solve our Social dilemma of poverty on a for-profit basis. Any questions?

 

pure capitalism will still have poor people indeed. Hence why there needs to be a safety net: a bit of socialism.

 

I believe we should merely promote the general welfare in such a manner that may correct for the inefficiency of a poverty inducing rate of unemployment under our form of capitalism through the social power to provide for the general welfare of our republic.

 

sooo canada just made it totally legal.

 

Here in Independence, MO our cops don't really prioritize prostitution crimes very much because they're on the look out for violent crimes and theft. I'd like for prostitution to be legal but regulated such as a person with a STD has to disclose that information at a prostitution providing place.

 

That bring up a good point. By having prostitution illegal, and drugs for that matter, it means the police will have fewer resources to put on the crimes that really matter, like murder and theft.

 

States can make plenty of revenue from the legalization.