Should the Maldives have nukes?

I can't help but notice that it doesn't seem to concern most people (especially those I talk to in academia), that Iran could obtain a nuclear weapon. My question is, do those who feel this way believe that all 200+ nations on Earth should have a nuclear weapons arsenal? And if not all 200, but there is no concern with Iran, then what middle number of countries obtaining a nuclear weapons arsenal would be acceptable to you?

My answer would be not 1 more additional country should be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons.

 

Can't say I care all that much. But countries with nukes tend not to get invaded, so it might really slow down the US war machine.

 

What is your means of enforcing that?

 

Any means necessary except actually using nukes. I wouldn't even use a nuke if a total strike on the US was incoming.

These weapons are not feasible for use in the modern international scheme. Imo, we have gotten to the point where only 3 groups can use nukes effectively to accomplish a political objective: 1. Terrorists 2. Criminals 3. Irrational leaders. Meaningful political objectives could not be obtained by nuke use by world leaders today. The negative diplomatic/military consequences from the rest of the world would outweigh any possible positive gains by their use on a specific country.

And even their use for survival doesn't make sense. If a total strike was launched by Russia to completely annihilate the US, we are all dead anyway. Why nuke tens of thousands of American citizens living in Russia when there won't be that many left around the world? So it doesn't even achieve a survival goal.

200 nations with nuclear weapons is obviously dangerous, and we are at about 9. What number are we as a society willing to permit before we take action?

 

Nukes are a small nation's only real deterant against large powers. Wish it wasn't nukes but there really is no other option when it comes to bargaining power.

Unless you can get everyone to abolish nukes, then everyone should have nukes. There would be a lot fewer wars if everyone had nukes.

 

And imo, if we adopt that mindset, then eventually dozens and dozens of countries will have nukes. The problem with that happening is that every decade a few countries govts collapse. Sometimes into quite violent chaos. This has been happening for ages. It will continue to happen. Except in the future, during the periodic govt collapses around the world, nukes and nuke material will be lying around in the chaos. If one adopts the policy of everyone gets nukes if they want, then these scenarios will be inevitable. Run time long enough, and bad actors will be able to obtain nukes during civil wars, etc. These weapons can be used to achieve the objectives of terrorists, but they cannot be used to obtain any objective for a legitimate govt. So what do we do?

 

Only nuclear hand grenades. Then, they will have to talk someone into throwing them. We'll hear from them later.

 

Yes they can - it's called: deterrence.

Unless the US, which is so wiling to throw its military at everything, is willing to give up all its nukes without exception, every nation should have nuclear weapons to protect themselves.

 

So you threaten countries with possible invasion...the only deterrence to which is nuclear weapons.

 

This coming from Canadians who dont like our handguns because they are dangerous.

 

It's only fair that all nations should have nuclear weapons and proper delivery systems. If everyone had nukes, it would be a strong deterrent to wars. And for those countries which do not have the resources to acquire nuclear weapons arsenals, other countries should share and help them get nukes.

Moreover, an international atomic regulatory and inspection team should set standards and go around on a regular unannounced basis to see if everybody has an equal amount of nuclear weapons -- no cheating!

Some sort of annual international nuclear-bombing competition or marathons held in the south Pacific would be nice also.

Happy Thanksgiving and a Merry Christmas! Kaboom!

 

And so you resort to generalizing by presuming that because I'm from Canada, I hate handguns and must be a hypocrite.

Perhaps if you knew me at all instead of assuming what I believe based on where I'm from (an incredibly arrogant way of conducting yourself that I found Europeans do to Americans all the time), you'd know that assuming I think that is absolutely stupid.

 

Dont care if its what you personally think nor did I say that. I clearly said Canadians. Pay attention and stop making strawmen. And as a fact Canadians hate guns. Each and every time Ive been there, they comment on it in an insulting manner towards any American they find. Shall we review the anti gun posts from the Canadians on this forum?
Have you made any pro gun posts? I will be more than happy to inform myself as to your personal support of our 2nd amendment.

 

If you did make that distinction then your post was pointless and didn't refute anything I said.

Well usually it's not something we discuss too much. However, you can certainly find them if you're willing to go sifting through all my posts.

 

How about you state it now. Do you support the 2nd amendment or not?

 

Hell yeah.

 

There is hope.

 

Great idea, except I think we should have it in Spain. That would count as 'sharing', wouldn't it?

 

My stance on nukes is basically like a international second amendment: everyone has nukes, the entire world could be obliterated if people start firing them, so this literally forces non-violent methods of dealing with other countries. Superpowers can't just boss everyone around and potentially-belligerent states can never actually kill each other because of MAD. Ironically, nukes make the world more peaceful. Without nukes the Cold War would have been WWIII, easily.

 

Why is the thread titled "Should the Maldives have nukes?" When your op addresses who should have nukes across the world.

 

Well that isnt exactly a bad theory until Iran decides to nuke Israel. If that happens, its on Obama and so is the subsequent resolution to that problem that should have never been allowed to happen in the first place. This is a historic mistake. The other issue is, Israel wont wait to be attacked. Obama has just created a situation that forces one nation to act on another. He isnt fit to be President and he definitely should not be in possession of a Nobel Peace prize. Hes doing/done the exact opposite

 

I'm not sure the Ayatolah is stupid enough to basically commit suicide just to futilely attempt to nuke Israel.

You really need to stop taking their "threats" seriously, they have no international influence and a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty military, they are not and cannot do (*)(*)(*)(*) to Israel, nor can they even try without being pummeled back to the stone age where their religion is from. If Israel provokes a war it's their own damn fault and any American who goes over there and dies to protect fools like that I will laugh at when they come home in a coffin, because Israel being stupid is not something worth defending with your life.

 

Screw whether or not the governments have it, it just takes one person with one nuke and they can use it anywhere in the world. It just took a couple dozen religious fanatics and four airplanes to kill thousands of people.

 

It seems that the reason nations like America have nuclear weapons but don't want nations like Iran to, is because America has proven over history, it would only use nukes in self defense. The fact that Iran has many times called for a death to Israel makes the American government believe Iran would use these nukes aggressively.

In America nukes are used as a weapon of deterrence against nuking America.

A better idea might be to use a missile defense system and closely monitor what is imported in and out of the U.S. Then, get rid of nukes entirely here and everywhere. Using the defense capability as a deterrent, rather than the offensive threat of a nuclear arsenal.

 

I dont doubt you canadians would laught at that. Dont doubt that at all. There you have it folks. Every now and then people let you see what really clunks around in their shell. I am happy you illustrated your level of intelligence for the numerous people perusing the internet who will no doubt read your comments and think a little less of Canada.