Should the US/NATO demilitarize Eastern European Nations bordering Russia?

Many are saying Biden is not handling this well .. which may or may not be true.. but, this begs the question .. "What should Biden be doing" ..

I say .. what Biden/NATO should be doing .. . is taking their bases and missiles off of Russia's border .. perhaps not Now .. right at this moment .. but should have been up for discussion prior to this war going hot .. had plenty of time during the buildup to make such concessions.

What say you !?

 

Are you implying we should condescend to Putin's Russian wishes??

 

Biden should get rid of NATO and form the SANTA Pact. It's strategically a lot better for the US.

 

Two words, HELL NO!

 

That won't happen given that Russia AND US have competing economic, political, and strategic interests.

 

"Hell No -- We Won't Go " Why you want to keep poking the Bear ..

 

Elucidate por favor

 

Very few competing economic interests - not compared to China - not in the Grande Scheme of things with respect to the well being of Joe Citizen ...

What "Strategic interests" are we competing over .. South China Sea ? Not .. ... some intersts in the North .. OK .. not much else with respect to the well being of Joe citizen. .. Seems like we were doing a whole lot of business over there though .. with their oil .. and other .. didn't know we were that involved in the Russian Oil Patch .. Not sold on this one.

Political ? Can't think of one political interest we are competing over .. - hope you are not referring to "Russiagate" cause that would be a joke.

 

Yes, all countries which border Russia should leave NATO, eliminate the defence budget and trust Russia. In 1994 Ukraine trusted Russia, sign Budapest memorandum which prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, and thanks to this agreement now Russia is helping Ukraine to get rid of Nazis:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
Here is a perfect example of denazified building:

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I think NATO and the US should trust Russia too.

 

Putin is a sociopath with nuclear weapons that he's very proud of. The sooner people come to realize this the better. Guy needs to be dealt with.

 

I don't think Putin is sociopath, he is very rational politician who wants to Make Russia Great Again. He succeeded with Czecznya, Georgia, Syria and now in the same way he is trying with Ukraine. And according to many polls about 70% of Russians supports him.

 

A very rational politician wouldn't say he'd use nuclear weapons to restore the old kingdom (Soviet Union). That's all Putin has is his nukes - his regular army is bogged down in tiny little Ukraine. Can you see Russia trying to take on the US and NATO?

 

Why dog licks his balls? Because he can, and the same with Putin. He calculated that the West will chicken out and he was right. Poland wanted to give Mig airplanes to Ukraine on the condition it will be NATO who will send it to Ukraine, and NATO chicken out.
Yes, Russian army is bogged down in Ukraine, but it looks Russia achieved its goals: stole big chunk of Ukraine territory, there is a big chance it will deprive Ukraine access to Black Sea, destroyed Ukraine cities and there is no chance NATO will agree to accept Ukraine. I hope I am wrong.

 

Because those countries have chosen their own path without interference from Russia, Germany, France, UK, and the US. Their reasons may be based on history from Russia more than anything else, but their choice nonetheless.

I thought you guys were all about freedom, I guess you were wrong.

 

Funny .. but Im serious .. and this war in Ukraine - makes things all clear .. to those of us who can divine the future.
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First off .. who said anything about eliminating defense Budget ? ... more careful you must read !? (make sure to learn chess notation.. to better understand the Oracle - tell you the Future I will )

So what have we learned - From History - as technology spreads .. the cost of pojecting power increases .. Return on Investment decreases- to the point of bankrupting the military-economic empire that tries to maintain hegemony at this point in the cycle.

Russia knows this story has been living it to a T .. making supurb moves .. while the US runs around wasting 10 Trillion over last 20 years chasing around religious extremists in the desert - 500 Billion a year that could have been spent on Roads, infrastructure, technology, education .. ramping up our economy to compete in the third millennium .. a world where your military might means F-All ..lest you be going down Nuclear alley .. but even nations who dont have nukes .. can do tremendous damage - using the technology that Russia has been working on for the last 30 years .. since the fall of the wall - and they sell it to anyone with cash.

This is the same program the EU China and India have been on .. seems Only US has not heard the story - After introducing the Sunburn .. worlds first supersonic anti ship cruse missile in the mid 90's .. rendinging our Carrier fleet steps away from Obsolescence .. India and China joined in .. the "Consortia" working on missile technology together for over 20 years now ... but now even Iran can send a missile -or Drone to Saudi Arabia - evade detection - evade the Patriot system .. good grief if you are facing the Consortia product .. many others are in on the game .. Israel .. Turkey ..

We havn't given Ukraine the Good stuff .. but still look how difficult it is .. Sans Carpet Bombing .. which you don't want to do .. and Putin has been avoiding .. you want a pic to compare to .. check some before and after pics of Aleppo

So the best anti missile system is the S-300 - 400 - 500 but other nations - including the US have some pretty good stuff as well .. and the goblin fest just keeps getting wilder every day .. these drones .. missile drone fusion .. These nations can arm themselves .. and we can help them .. Just get NATO .. and our ABM's .. off Russia's border.. I don't think Russia has designs further than Ukraine .. and we are not even sure what his designs are there yet .. no one can get ahold of Vlad on the Phone ..

but what ever the reason .. what ever the rhyme - our bases and abms serve no purpose other than to irritate and poke the Bear .. a political Game ..

Tell me who the moron was .. who figured Russia was going to let its 400 year old Port in Crimea - fall into NATO hands ? Land that was never actually Ukraines .. Russia having a "Lease" on the property for what ever number of years .. Seems to be a dearth of morons out there .. didn't take no crystal ball to figure out that after Nato Poking the Bear for many decades .. The Bear drawing a clear red line in the sand .. all these NATO heads were wandering around feigning ignorance .. OMG .. why on Earth would Heir Putinski do such a thing..

but there is a bigger game being played here .. the position on the board very unclear - on the Geopolitical/Economic Chessboard.

One thing I found interesting is that both China and India are not onboard - keep Russia afloat just those two - but when the war ends .. sanctions receed .. where will the chips lie then..?

 

No idea who "you guys" refers to .. Rest assured however - my arguments against Trump are orders of magnitude better than yours.
No clue what the "Freedom" Jab is all about .. never have I spoken against it .. more careful you must be.. not put things in boxes that don't belong ..

History -- do a long diatribe to another poster .. will refer you to that .. explaining some of the rational for my position.. probably rather poorly .. but has nothing to do with "Feedom" don't know what had you pulled that rabbit from

Never said a single word about those countries not being able to dictate thier own history .. same error addressed in post .. fortunately .. strange .. two of you make the same error ..

 

Our primary economic, political, and strategic interests are in Europe, ME, and Asia where the US and Russia dominate. Africa, with the exception Egypt, Central and South America are not so important in concerns with the US other than the illegal alien issue. We really don't care what those countries do, just use Venezuela as a fodder for our political discourse. But that is where China, through its Silk Road policy has made significant inroads since 2000.

however, what you are speaking of is Trump's idea of America's isolation, which would benefit Russia, put Europe in a world of hurt, and well, America is no longer the leader of anything, including a beacon of hope.

 

Appeasement policies don’t work. We tried. We didn’t even move a muscle as Russia buzzed our ships in mock bombing runs for years.

think of them like liberals. Did gay marriage make them shut up? No, they just added another letter and now we’re dealing with men taking over women sports and bathrooms.

except instead of sports and bathrooms we are talking countries. mass death. Mass population displacement. Mass economic upheaval. Bit more at stake

 

1) China dwarfs Russia .. not on the same level in terms of competitor.. We lost the ME .. China Russia will be rebuilding Iraq - Syria - Iran.. El Saud is now on the ropes the UAE not joining in the party .. in Asia India is no one's side .. an emerging big player in their own right .. playing both sides of the fence very effectively .. Brazil .. while not a concern to you .. is a powerhouse . part of the Brics .. and as for the rest .. belt and road initiative is taking hold well .. Writing off an entire contenent .. not a sign of "Winning" Africa is completely up for grabs .. Belt and road a hit ..

Europe .. prior to the war .. was very grim .. thanks to Heir Donald using the Economic Nuclear option to force every nation in the world to abide by his unilateral Iran sanctions .. big blunder .. sure they went along .. they were forced to .. threat of banks being taken out of swift is a big deal .. which is another story all on its own .. but we got the big middle finger every time a deal went down .... Norstream 2 FU .. Italy .. belt and road FU -- Huawei .. FU . never mind the rest of the world .. talking our bum buddies in Europe .. who are playing a whole game of their own .. this war a moment of respite in this troubled economic relationship ..

"The new Silk Road" Energy corridor into the hungry China and India market .. why the war in Syria was fought .. why the war in Afghanistan has been going on for so long .. the point not to win .. but to keep the area destabilized to block the competition "Russia-Iran-Syria" from filling that corridor with their pipelines...

Who's winning that battle .. now that our good friends the Taliban are in Charge .. this is a very interesting pawn in this respect ..as Taliban don't exactly have loving eyes for Russia either .. albeit hard not to like them better than USA .. China will be the decision maker .. Russia will be putting a line through Afghanistan .. if you want a shot in the dark prediction .. from the prophet..

Many things going on here .. as I said .. board is unclear .. was a very bold move on the board -- there is more behind this than meets the eye.. Putin is not an idiot .. albeit it is looking to me like he has blundered .. now in a very sticky situation .. but Russia is small change in the global economy .. .albeit a player well beyond its size .. still 40% of economy is oil . Russia Ukraine 30% of worlds wheat. and a few other things ..oh .. and arms sales ... of which they will be selling alot after this thing is over .. particularly the S-300, 400, 500k -- best in class system in the world.. getting a workout in Syria ... Israel the aggressor in that conflict.

 

ROFL!!!

NO!

 

There is no "China Russia" anything.
China has abandoned them. Russia is too weak for their tastes. They are remaining neutral to try and salvage their dominance over their own culture. Honestly, they have moved enough to the middle to be left alone. That is till they try some crap with Taiwan....which will end the same obvious result.

They know the only reason that lil capitalist communism crap works is because we buy all their crap...once that stops happening. then they will be stuck with "all their crap".
Its honestly crap, South Korea is really their tech hub. and the brain drain from Taiwan once an invasion occurs pretty much negates any point of dominating the extra liability.

 

Well .. Im glad I made you giggle .. if nothing else ... a bright spot in someones day .. now go and learn !

 

China has not abandoned Russia .. at all .. neither has India.. but.. you seem to have little understanding of the geopolitical chessboard in general .. not just Russia is playing the game .. what happens to them is of no moment with respect to the other things going on .. the uninitiated are blind to the ruptures in the force.. rambling on about some black vs white ideological paradigm that simply doesn't exist in the real world .. blind to what is in front of yur eyes .. to you its just all "crap crap crap" which brings us to the highlite .. the thing you got correct .. perhaps inadvertently but either way .. yes .. buying all that Crap .. for a few extra pennies in savings . into the pockets of the Oligopolies .. who are just like communists .. just in a different form to which you are blind . created and financed a monster we did .. did major damage to the planet in the process .. a planet getting ever smaller .. many competing for same resources .. in the final race which .. if the next 25 years are like the last .. will likely toast off the Oceans ... never mind CO2 we will fk this place up long before the tidal rise is lapping at your feet

And now you know "the rest of the story"

 

What missiles are on Russia's border?
Are there missiles not on Russia's border hat can reach Russia?
Are there missiles on Russia's border that can reach NATO countries or USA?
Did Russia abide by rules set by Reagan and Russia?
If not, how far does Russia get to set rules?

 

You lost all credibility spouting men taking over women sports and bathrooms.