Show me why killing a fetus is wrong.

Your severe incapacity to comprehend what you read is evident again.

 

So now we are faced with defining what is convenient. Survival is convenient, freedom is convenient, getting rid of dictators is convenient. Come to think of it, EVERYTHING we do is convenient, why else would we be doing it? Can you name a single reason where people say 'I will do this because it is inconvenient' or something to that effect?

 

Do you have any logical basis for your assertion? Biblical verses are lacking and simply won't serve as evidence.

 

Well, instead of trolling, attempt to make a point and explain what you mean.

 

Actually the entire link is very logical. I am 110% sure you didn't read it!

 

Then I would be inclined to ask what makes abortion okay?

I believe reason follows our instinctual ability for emotion, therefore all humans can reason to some extent. Many of the people who cannot express this will probably have the ability to later in life. Belief and hope also differentiate us from other animals.

Those differences are exactly what entitles humanity to rights! (and I believe animals have rights, at least in American they do.)

Your interest to live concerns him, since his interest is to kill you. Why should your interest to live override his interest to kill you? "There is no reason to consider one more important than the other."
Why can your interest be followed fully when it directly conflicts with his interest, therefore directly involving him? Shouldn't you reach a compromise, like a pound of flesh or something?

 

Only a man would consider pregnancy/childbirth to be an "inconvenience." Men who have no idea of the effects of pregnancy/childbirth.

Conception does not occur without sperm and egg, one could consider the sperm and egg to be the "starting point." But then sperm and egg do not occur without the adult to produce them, so one could consider adults to be the starting point. But then adults don't occur without children to grow into them, so one could consider children to be the starting point. Get it?

Once again, homicide is wrong because it is taking something (life) from someone that belongs to him/her. A zef does not have anything of its own, most especially not a life since the life is maintained by the pregnant woman.

 

Yes. Communities can "decide" whatever they want. Women have ignored them in the past and will do so again, if it suits them. Women are totally in control of who else is affected by abortion, they need not share information with anyone who won't be supportive.

 

Contextual convenience is what I mean. You're hyperbolizing the idea of convenience. We do what we think is right, sometimes that making a hard decision, choosing what isn't convenient. A mom chooses to have a child. Her life will certainly be harder and less convenient, her way of life will for certain be different than it is now.

 

So do people have to be able to ask "why", build and create, reason, love, and live in order to be considered "human"? If those are the qualities that make humans special, then humans lacking those qualities are not of the same value.

 

What about the doctor? or the nurses? They'll know and they won't always be supportive. Such a decision (the decision to keep it secret, not the decision of whether or not to abort) would isolate the woman from the community.

 

You're correct, I understated. It is a huge commitment and the largest responsibility one can possibly undertake. Does the fear of a major shift of lifestyle give you the right to deny life?

Haha yes the chain of life. When the zygote is first formed, it becomes an entity on its own. It has its own, new, never before seen DNA.

Thank you for agreeing with me! haha
You depend on farmers and other animals/plants for your sustenance and survival, not to mention doctors, nurses, dentists, teachers, friends, and general. Since you directly depend on all these things for food/drink, health, and social interaction does that mean you don't have life?

 

Me too.

I am not and in the absence of absolute, perhaps you are, labeling only pregnancy a "convenience" or "inconvenience" as a taboo.

And you think a woman will have an abortion because she thinks it is the wrong thing for her?

Harder is not necessarily inconvenient. Certainly having a child in that case is her desire and people do not desire the inconvenient.

 

Apparently we are arguing over two different things. Can you define convenience for me?

I just apologized to another person, I will to you too, I understated the magnitude of pregnancy and the responsibility that comes along with it.

I will debate further when I hear your definition of convenient.

 

Doctors and nurses aren't essential for abortion, medical abortions could be obtained with internet drugs and without professional medical assistance. Doctors and nurses who aren't supportive won't be performing abortions. We all have things we don't share with the public, abortion isn't any different. However, a woman should not be be shamed into secrecy, she should be able to share her decision with anyone she chooses without fear of condemnation.

 

Thank you, it is a life changing event. A woman choosing abortion isn't so much "denying life" as she is affirming her own life, and choosing not to use her life to make another life at this time.

When the zygote is first formed, it will be many months before it is an entity on its own. So long as it is attached to a woman, and depends upon that attachment for its very existence, that woman can decide if she chooses to continue to support that attachment to the detriment of her own body. Unique DNA doesn't confer any special value. Every bug and plant has its own unique DNA.

Yes, you are describing social dependence, and we are all socially dependent to some degree. Only a zef is physically dependent though, and doesn't have a life of its own.

 

I can not, especially not for anyone else. That is something that only the person involved can define based on the particulars of their situation.
Will you settle for speculation. As you have recognized, pregnancy and subsequently parenting is not something that should be undertaken on a whim. It requires a desire and dedication, not to mention a lot of resources. Many women who get pregnant lack some or even all of those necessary components and decide to abort because of that. That sadly there are abuses or misuses, as with most human endeavors, does and should not be a determining factor in forcing all pregnant women to give birth. Just where exactly does convenience lie in there I am not sure, but I am convinced that "convenience" is not the correct term to use.

Totally unnecessary. You have been civil and expressed your opinions openly without hostility or insult. For that I am grateful and hope I did the same. Just because we do not agree or see everything the same way should not discourage us from debate.

I hope the above will do.

 

A skin cell is human life. Pounding on a keyboard hastens the death of many of those poor souls.

 

Indeed. That said it is an abject necessity for life to kill life in order to survive.

Why is it cruel to deny something life ?

What is important about the starting point ?

 

leave it to a lib to equate infanticide, to dead skin cells.

 

A fetus is not a human being. A human being is viable, a fetus is not. you cant call a seed a plants, you can only say that it will turn into one. Same idea with a fetus. it isnt a human being, it only has the potential to become one.

 

You are a genius.

 

But he is a self appointed subject matter expert!

 

1) I am conservative
2) Just because I am a conservative does not mean I have to believe stupid things. Many conservatives are smart and can tell the difference between a single cell and a baby.

3) It is a logical fallacy to claim that because libs believe something it is necessarily wrong.

4) What is the significant difference between a zygote cell and any other human cell that makes one an infant and the other not ?

 

Naw .. even a simpleton can figure out that there is a big difference between a zygote and a baby

There is no significant difference between a human zygote cell and any other human cell in relation one being more a human than the other.