Show me why killing a fetus is wrong.

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  1. prometeus

    prometeus Banned

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    You do not disappoint at least and as expected remain dishonest and irrelevant. What did I lie about and what if your proof?
    That I made a reference to law enforcement? Perhaps the reference is not accurate but it certainly is not meant to mislead and I suspect you know that, but in lieu of a valid rebuttal now you are grasping at this.
    Bottom line is that homicides, all homicides are documented and a death certificate issued. That is not the case for abortion.
     
  2. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Slow down, take a deep breath, now go back and read the post you responded to. :roll:


    You lie frequently and this is one example where I took the trouble to go find your post and expose you. I don't have time to do this for all your lies.


    This is false, as I have previously stated. "Homicide" is a defined term.

    "Definition of HOMICIDE
    1: a person who kills another
    2: a killing of one human being by another "

    No mention of police, or death certificates, or any other of your desperate attempts to mislead people.


    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homicide
     
  3. prometeus

    prometeus Banned

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    Of course it is a defined term. Your point?

    Does your dictionary mention police at the definition of murder?
     
  4. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    The definition does not say it has to be illegal.

    Probably, but that it a different word, you realize that right?
     
  5. prometeus

    prometeus Banned

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    This we have already agreed upon a long time ago.

    No, definitely not. Why does a reference to police have to be part of the definition of any word other than police itself?
     
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    So you think murder and homicide are synonymous? Well there ya go, that is where you are going wrong. They aren't!
     
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    Of course not. Why would you even say something like that?
     
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    So we agree that murder and homicide have different actual meanings.
    Great, we have some progress.

    Homicides do not always have public record trails or involve law enforcement!
     
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    I would put it a bit differently, not to disagree, just for more precision.
    How about murder is one form of homicide but both imply and mean killing of humans?
     
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    OK, yes murder is a homicide, but not all homicides are murders.
     
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    There is no excuse for a mother killing her child. Adoptive parents are waiting to get newborns. You are justifying a mother nor being responsible for her actions and being so cold and without passion that killing her child does not matter. That is very sad and shows what a selfish society we live in
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A woman does not have to excuse an abortion. A woman is not an incubator for those who want babies and can't make their own. How many repetitions does it take for you to get that abortion IS responsible. Bringing a child into the world and dumping it on someone else to rear is irresponsible. People have always been selfish and always will be...that's what enables us to survive.
     
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    I have yet to here a pregnant woman to talk about the fetus in her woman they always say baby.

    So you have no right to life? I am waiting for you to tell me what the baby has done to deserve the capital punishment of abortion.

    You are so cold and hateful you have no problem with a mother killing her baby. Why not let mothers kill them after they are born the result is the same as abortion.
     
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    You are wrong. Killing a child is wrong.There are people waiting to adopt that will gladly take the newborn.

    You are justifying a woman killing her child and somebodies grandchild.
     
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    Killing a child IS wrong, but killing a zef is not. No woman is obligated to gestate a child to hand over to someone else. Pregnancy/birth/recovery take a year out of a woman's life, she is not obligated to give it. Abortion doesn't have to be justified, and a woman is also not obligated to produce grandchildren for anyone.
     
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    Abortion kills a child. You claiming it is something else is a deception and a lie.

    So then let her kill them after they are born the result is the same
     
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    Once again, I will bring up the perfect solution, that might work for the pro choicers but the lifers hate the idea:

    Ban abortion, but make pro lifers adopt the babies.

    But they don't like that, so they? Children starving in their own country? Who cares! Children with cancer? Who cares? Woman seeking abortion? Grad your banners and your fake fetus pictures and harass her. :rolleyes:
     
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    Wrong, your claim that an embryo or fetus is the same as a born child is deception and a lie. And your wish to punish women for their "lusts" is just sick.
     
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    Society agrees, a consensus, that birth is the line. Before birth, a fetus can be aborted even late in gestation if it is threatening the woman. After birth, we don't have to give it extraordinary medical care if it has severe anomalies, but we don't actively kill born people.
     
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    Exactly so.
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    You should get out in to the real world more often and while you are there learn the difference between "here" and "hear" because till you do, you will not be able to discern the difference between informal language and exact language that is needed for laws and scientific undertakings.

    No one does, it does not exist.

    I do not respond to moronic questions.

    Of course I have a problem with anyone killing a baby and I also take issue with ignorance that prevents one from distinguishing the difference between a fetus and a child.

    Why not attempt to make rational arguments instead of asking moronic questions?
     
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    GREAT! SO lets stop the foolish claim that an abortion is not a homicide because it is legal, shall we?
     
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    Sorry, can't do that, it is not something I believe nor it is something society believes.
    As I have said before, to me a human being is more than just another biological classification and as such abortion does not fit the homicide criteria.
     
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    You were so close to understanding logic, then you bailed.

    You agreed that murders are homicides, but not all homicides are murders.
    Yet you will not agree to the equivalent that homicides are sometimes legal. It is silly to oppose this with such overwhelming evidence to support it.

    Capital punishment homicides are legal.
    Turning off life support machines is legal in some cases.
    Self defense homicides are legal
    and abortion homicides are legal, unfortunately!
     
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    I am closing this thread. It has gone past the 50 page limit.
     
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